1Co 15:42

So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

1Co 15:43

It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

1Co 15:44

It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

(1 Corinthians 15:42-44) Comparison of the two kinds of bodies.

So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

a. So also is the resurrection of the dead: It’s hard to understand what our resurrection bodies will be like, so Paul will use contrast to help us, giving four contrasts between our present body and our future resurrection body. On all counts, the resurrection body wins!

Incorruption triumphs over corruption.

Glory triumphs over dishonor.

Power triumphs over weakness.

Spiritual triumphs over natural.

b. Raised in incorruption… raised in glory… raised in power: Our resurrection body will be glorious!

1 Corinthians 15:45

So also it is written, “The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

God took man from the dust and breathed life into Him making him a living soul. Gen 2:7 חַי נֶפֶשׁ Chai Nephesh

(a) The first man. Adam gave birth to a race of enslaved people, captive to sin and death.

(b) The last Adam. Jesus is contrasted with the first man, Adam. Adam was “a type of him who was to come” (Rom. 5:14). Just as first Adam’s offense had consequences that affected us all, last Adam’s obedience affects us all.

The first perfect man, Adam, gave us one kind of body. The second perfect man, Jesus the last Adam, can give us another kind of body. He is a life-giving spirit.

This is why we must be born of both water and the spirit (John 3:5). You have to be born before you can be born again. “The flesh profits nothing; the Spirit who gives life” (John 6:63). Only the sons and daughters of Adam can become sons and daughters of God.

We have all borne the image of the first Adam, and those who put their trust in the last Adam will also bear His resurrection image. From the first Adam, we all are made of dust, but from the last Adam we can be made heavenly. For believers, the promise is sure: we shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man.

Philippians 3:21 repeats Paul’s theme: Who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which He is able even to subdue all things to Himself.

1 Corinthians 15:47

The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven.

From heaven. On numerous occasions, Jesus told his disciples that he was not from earth but had come or been sent from heaven (see entry for John 6:38). Because of Adam, humanity was on death row. (Romans 6 calls it living under the condemnation of sin and death.) But Jesus was not from Adam’s fallen line. Jesus was born outside the prison. Only a free man can ransom a slave.

1 Corinthians 15:50

Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. In other words, you must be born again (John 3:6–7).

Someone once said, “You can be a good sinner or a bad sinner, but you still need to get saved.” That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit (John 3:6). We all need to be born of the Spirit. We all need to be born again (John 3:7).

“Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God: Paul is not saying, “material things cannot inherit the kingdom of God,” because Jesus’ resurrection body was a material body. Flesh and blood, in this context, means “our present bodies.” Jesus’ resurrection body was not a “pure spirit” body, but a material body described as flesh and bones (Luke 24:39) instead of flesh and blood. This may seem like a small distinction to us, but it must be an important distinction to God.” David Guzak

Nor does corruption inherit incorruption: The word corruption does not mean moral or ethical corruption, but physical, material corruption. These bodies which are subject to disease, injury, and one day decay, are unsuited for heaven. Corruption can’t inherit incorruption.

1Co 15:54

When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written:

“Death is swallowed up in victory

Death is swallowed up in victory: A resurrected body is not a resuscitated corpse. It is a new order of life that will never die again. Death is defeated by resurrection.

Freud was wrong when he said: “And finally there is the painful riddle of death, for which no remedy at all has yet been found, nor probably ever will be.” Compare that with Paul’s triumphant declaration, “Death is swallowed up in victory”! Glad I don’t believe in Freudian Psychologists!

O Death, where is your sting? O Hades, where is your victory? Paul, knowing death is a defeated enemy because of Jesus’ work, can almost taunt death, and mock it. Death has no power over the person found in Jesus Christ.

So we who really believe the hope of the resurrection and stare death in the face and say bring it on, do your worst, I am not afraid of you!

Expiring saints have often said that their last beds have been the best they have ever slept upon.” (Spurgeon)

For those who are not in Jesus Christ, death still has its sting. “The sting of death lay in this, that we had sinned and were summoned to appear before the God whom we had offended. This is the sting of death to you, unconverted ones, not that you are dying, but that after death is the judgment, and that you must stand before the Judge of the quick and dead to receive a sentence for the sins which you have committed in your body against him.” (Spurgeon)

1 Corinthians 15:57

but thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Gives us the victory. Victory is a gift to receive rather than something to strive for. Paul is encouraging us to go for it because we can’t lose. Because Christ has overcome the world, you are an overcomer (1 John 5:4). Indeed, we are more than conquerors through him who loved us (Rom. 8:37).

Spiritual warfare for the Christian is less about shouting at the devil and more about believing that Jesus is Lord over whatever situation we face. Unbelief says we must engage the enemy and fight for the victory, but faith declares that Jesus has already won. Unbelief cowers before the name of the adversary, whether it’s disease, debt, or depression. But faith exalts the Name that is above every name.

1 Corinthians 15:58

Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your toil is not in vain in the Lord.

(a) My beloved brethren. See entry for Rom. 1:7.

(b) Be steadfast, immovable. Standing firm is not something we do to get the victory; it is something we can do because in Christ we have the victory (see previous verse). Hope is the anchor of our souls!

(c) Your toil is not in vain. Your labor will receive an eternal reward. See entry for 1 Cor. 3:14. We want to bring in the sheave and have many people to bring with us to the Kingdom.

This is Paul’s version of the don’t-store-up-treasure-where-moth-and-rust-corrupt speech. Every day we build. We either spend our lives in fleshly pursuits that bring no lasting pleasure, or we invest in people and reap eternal rewards. “Each one must be careful how he builds,” said Paul (1 Cor. 3:10). Life is a precious gift to be spent wisely.

And it is short.

THE BARE GRAIN

1Co 15:37

And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:

« Paul says our bodies are like “seeds” which “grow” into resurrection bodies. When you bury the body of a believer, you are “sowing” a “seed” that will come out of the earth as a resurrection body. » D G

When that grain, that the listeners knew so well, wheat or barley was sown into the ground it looked so dead. It was so insignifact and ugly like an old person’s decaying hulk. But this was only the husk rotting in the ground. The

When a dry seed comes into contact with moist soil or growing media, the seed begins to take up water through the seed coat. As it takes up more water, the seed expands and the seed coat cracks open. The embryo inside the seed is made up of a small shoot and a small root. The root is the first to emerge from the seed. As it grows, it anchors the plant to the ground, and begins absorbing water through the root. After the root absorbs water, the shoot begins to emerge from the seed.

The outer parts to decompose and produce the means for the inner seed to grow. When the time comes we shall be risen from the grave as a seed in the earth with a new kind of life. But to have the new kind of life the old life must pass. The Body and soul dies so that we can have  a new spiritual Body and soul that will never die.

1Co 15:38

But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

God has decided in the begining to give every kind of seed it own particular body.  A corn seed will not produce an apple for example. Nor will a whale sperm produce a monkey.  Every seed has its own genus and likeness.

1Co 15:39

All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.

Speaking of the realm of flesh, in this fallen world, there is death. But that was not Gods original plan for man or His Creation. That was mans decision.  God created many kinds and a multitude of varieties of species

1Co 15:40

There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

Now Paul is speaking of another kind or another realm. The heavenly….the spiritual.

Remember  what Jesus explained to Nicodemus concerning the Birth from above?

Jhn 3:6

That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

So there are two very different kinds of seed. That which is terrestrial or of the earth. And as God said to Adam and Eve after their fall in  Gen 3:19 « In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. »

All animals of soul and body including Adam will return to the soil to die. But not the part that God has recreated through the second Adam, the obedient Son JEsus Christ. That seed of Christ is created in each of us when we believe the Gospel news! That part is born from above and is HEavenly and eternal life.

That is like the germ. The holy spirit, the new creation of Christ living in an earthen vessel, that Christ is the green germ in the seed. The Glory and magnificance of the largest sequoias or greatest civilization of man is nothing because it all will die. But the glory of Christ born from the heavens into a man is Eternal. There really is two very different kinds of Glory.

1Co 15:41

There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

« Our resurrection body will be a heavenly (celestial) body, suited for life in heaven, not only life on this earth. » Dave Guzik

« Some take this to mean there will be different degrees of glory for believers in heaven. “Whether there are degrees of glory, as it seems probable, so we shall certainly know, when we come to heaven.” (Trapp)

Just as God created the universe full of galaxies of star and planets, perhaps the new heavens and earth will be full of new heavenly bodies. Our ressurected bodies  with different kinds of glory. This is still a mystery. But we do know we shall have a body that is incorruptible, full of glory, full of power and eternal.

Phl 3:20-21

For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ;  who will transform the body of our lowly condition into conformity with [fn]His glorious body, by the exertion of the power that He has even to subject all things to Himself.Therefore we should live in this dying world waiting for our new home. We have the Hope of this and it depends on our belief in the Ressurection!

The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

1Co 15:19

If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

We are miserable if and only if there really was no resurection from the Dead

But there is and our life depends on it!

Because we all will die and yes God does call death sleep.

1Co 15:18

Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

But if there was no resurrection from death then yes we are all dead. We are perished

The word perished « apollumi » means we are all ruined, taken apart, undone and no more.

But death is a sleep according to the Bible and it is only until Christ returns, then on that day some will be glad eto see Him and live again with Him forever! Others will not and decide to take the eternal sleep called death. They will lose and have nothing.

We have been taugth that we die and immediately go to paradise. Where did this Pagan teaching enter our scriptures. We have ideas of dying and seeing our Lord immediately. That I can agree on in the sense in a Coma or a state of unconsious sleep a minute or two thousand years is the same. The moment you go to sleep for you in our experience is the Day the Lord raises you on the Last Day of Judgement.’

Where did Christians get the idea that we will be at the Pearly Gates and Peter will let us in. Certrainly not from Gods Word. WHere did we get the idea some go directly to Hell and the devil (or God??) lets us roast in excruciatimg pain forever? Not in my Bible. Where did people think the dead are amongst us in limbo? Or that we go straight to heaven when we take our last breath?  My Bible says we are seated in the Heavens now so lets bring the Heaven into this earth by preaching the Truth. Not religious lies.

Sleep is a little death. And Death is the Big Sleep.

Mat 28:13

Saying, Say ye, His disciples came by night, and stole him away while we slept

Jhn 11:11

These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; G2837 but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.

Some physically died in Jesus time, but He raised them. Lazarus was dead yet God calls it sleep. WHy because those who die are going to wake up. EVery single one of us!. Lazarus and the others has received a gift of life but yet dies or went to sleep again. This ressurection was not forever but a temporary gift and a sign of the power Jesus had over death.

Act 7:60

And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep

When the martyr Stephen was stoned to death he was dead, yet God calls it sleep.

Stephen did not go straight to heaven but died and is in the earth waiting for the Glorious return of Jesus when we all shall see Him in the future.

1Co 15:6

After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep

This verse again refers to death, expiring and taking your last breath as sleep.

1Th 4:13

But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

1Th 4:14

For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep  in Jesus will God bring with him.

1Th 4:15

For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (go before) them which are asleep

But we do have a Hope!

Even if we die we ahall see the Lord and we already have accepted Eternal life. We already are seated in the Heavens but our bodies and souls still have a job to accomplish on earth. We are waiting for the new HEavens and earth and paradise.

This on verse had been manipulated by changing punctuation. There were never any commas in the Greek or Hebrew original texts.

Luk 23:43

And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

With our the commas Jesus was saying « I am telling you today » that even you a robber who believes in me will be in paradise when it is here on earth again.

It should be read « And He said to him « truly I say to you today you shall be with me in paradise »

In Paradise: “Paradise (paradeisos), a Persian word meaning ‘garden, park,’ was used in the Septuagint for the Garden of Eden (Genesis 2:8). It then became a type of the future bliss for God’s people in Isaiah 51:3…In the present passage it represents the state of bliss which Jesus promised to the criminal directly after death.”C Marvin Pate

I do not agree with that because without exception all wait until the trumpet call in the future and then we will be with Jesus> The dead will rise from their graves first and then those found alive will put on their eternal heavenly bodies.

1Th 4:16

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1Th 4:17

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

And then we shall never be separated in any way from the Lord and we will be with Him forever.

1Th 4:18

Wherefore comfort one another with these words

But since there is no thought, conscience or memory in death,  it is like a profound sleep. The word in Greek for sleep koimaō is where we English have derived « Coma » a very deep sleep. And that is the way I see death. It is temporary for all and some will prefer to go back to sleep. But not all, some would rather live in bliss and in PAradise!

Psalm 6 :5 KJV « For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks? »

Many Christians have been taught that we who believe the scriptures are a fringe group or heresy that beleives in the demeaning term « soul-sleep »  I beleive they who have been taught that the breath life soul of animals and men are conscious and alive without their bodies have been lied to. This teaching allow us to « pray for the dead » or « pray for baptism of the dead » and is dangerous since many have been convinced they can contact their loved ones in another world.

As Saul the King of Israel was deceived to his ruin. HE beleived that his friend Samuel could be contacted after death. SO he went to the wirtch of Endor and a familiar spirit convinced him to die in battle. Today there is a thriving business of clarivoyant mediums that will conjure their familiar spirits. Even Christians taught that there is a conscious spirit out their may try to speak with their departed husband and be misled, very misled.

We must follow only the holy spirit and the writing inspired by the holy spirit. There are many demons or unholy spirits writing doctrines of demons. It is up to us to study the scripture and rely on our own annointing when we hear any thing spiritual. Prove all things but the holy spirit will show you what to hold on too and what does nt fit.

Back to the verse that seem to stand out against so called « soul-sleep » which is what most of the rest of the Bible teaches. No life after death but waiting in the grave for the new heavens and earth.

All this confusion is cleared up by moving commas? Or does this verse become the thorn in the side of all the teaching against conscious souls?

And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

So the commas were no help since they are not in any originals. But what about the place of the adverb « today »? Does it modify the verb « to tell » or « to be » hmmm

« In Greek, there is no specific rule concerning the position of the adverb, whether before or after the verb.11 Thus, from the grammatical standpoint we find it impossible to determine if sēmeron in Luke 23:43 modifies the preceding verb (“to tell”) or the follow­ing one (“to be”). Luke, however, has a definite tendency of using this adverb with the preceding verb. »

https://www.ministrymagazine.org/archive/2013/06/the-significance-of-a-comma:-an-analysis-of-luke-23:43

« The attempt to read the adverb in Luke 23:43 in connection to the preceding verb, therefore, is not only fully acceptable in terms of gram­mar but is also in complete agreement with Luke’s literary style. »

Yet there we church fathers or so called fathers like Cassian that even in the 4th century condemned those of us that place the « today » with « to tell » as « I tell you today » As Heretics.  There was a lot of burning of heretics that were not heretics in our loving Church history… GO ask the « church father » Calvin. He burned Servetus to save us!!

In fact the idiom « it tell you today » is used in many places in the Scripture and is not proof that the promise happen on that particular day!

Deu 11:26

Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse;

Deu 11:27

A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day:

The consequences of disobeying did not all come on the same day the Lord taught them did they?

Deu 28:13

And the LORD shall make thee the head, and not the tail; and thou shalt be above only, and thou shalt not be beneath; if that thou hearken unto the commandments of the LORD thy God, which I command thee this day, to observe and to do them:

Deu 6:6

And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

Deu 7:11

Thou shalt therefore keep the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which I command thee this day, to do them.

Deu 8:19

And it shall be, if thou do at all forget the LORD thy God, and walk after other gods, and serve them, and worship them, I testify against you this day that ye shall surely perish.

I do not think that the perished literally on the day the Lord testified against them, do you/

So how do we base the life of a soul being in Paradise the same day Jesus solemnly promised « you shall be in Paradise »? 

I do see it a comfort to know that I and my loved ones are uncoscious and it is a blissful sleep to die knowing our hope. Knowing we all shall be risen on that Glorious day where Jesus will jusdge the Living and the dead. It is more of a comfort than imagining the spirits of my loved ones in some uncertain state in an unknown place or even maybe hauting my attic. That is no comfort. But realizing death is temporary and their is absolutely no though in death like the sleep in a coma or the time in anethesia.  No sensation is better, no consciousness while wating.

Because if it is like anesthesia, then whether it is an hour or a century it is all the same to the observer, who is us. So virtually we are going to see JEsus face to face welcoming us who love Him at the moment we close our eyes for the last time. We will virtually be in Paradise the moment we die, yet for the others we leave alive, we are rotting int the grave. God will still bring every molecule together at the last day of all the dead, and God can do that if He promised.

Mat 25 : 31-32  “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne.  Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. »

Only then will He invite His followers to inherit the kingdom prepared for them since the beginning of the world, his event will be a glorious moment of reunion in which the final and complete celebration of deliverance from sin will take place

Luk 22:14

And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him.

Luk 22:15

And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:

Luk 22:16

For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.

Luk 22:18

For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.

Paul teaches that the believers who die will come forth from their graves at Jesus’ second coming (1 Cor. 15:20–23), and then the gift of immortality will be bestowed on them (vv. 51–55). He never tries to comfort the living by saying that the deceased are already with Jesus in heaven.

IN fact now that we ARE in Christ  we are sealed and have been seated  IN HEAVEN!

Eph 1:3

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

Were already in heaven today in the middle of a dead world. Yet our Hope is AT HIS PERSONAL RETURN OR COMING ….Paradise and a NEW HEAVEN AND EARTH!

1 Corinthiens 15.20–23 (ESV)

20 But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.

He never tries to comfort the living by saying that the deceased are already with Jesus in heaven. On the contrary, he attempts to bring peace to their hearts by reminding them of The resurrection (1 Thess. 4:13– 18; cf. 2 Cor. 1:8–10; Phil. 3:8–11), and that only when Jesus comes again both the resurrected righteous and righteous living will be caught up together to meet Him in the air, and so they will be with Him forever (see 1 Thess. 4:17).

Now this verse in Luke fits in harmony if we just leave the commas out of the argument!

Besides, according to Paul, Jesus’ resurrection, not His death, gives the righteous any hope for life after death

1 Cor 15 :16-20 « For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. »

How, then, does one make sense of the idea that Jesus had promised the thief that they would be together in Paradise that same day, especially because the Bible also clearly teaches that the day He died, Christ went into the grave

To argue that only Christ’s body went into the grave while His spirit ascended to heaven20 is to ignore the fact that, early on the resurrection morning, He told Mary not to hold on to Him because He had not yet gone to the Father

Jhn 20:17

Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

So where did Jesus go. Some teach he preached to dead spirits. That is not in the Bible anywhere!! Some teach his spirit was with God because He commited his spirit to God. Yes God takes care of those who are asleep and so I can commit my spirit to GOd every night I do. Yes God does take care of those a sleep in the grave as well. God able.

The real heresy is to teach that when we die our bodies decay yet our « eternal soul » goes somewhere and is conscious.  That is not a comfort not know where you are going with lots of doubts.  Our Comfort is the Final Ressurection Day. This idea of an eternal soul is Pagan.  I am not talking a about the Holy spirit that God Gave to us. That is Eternal but the soul life we share in common with all animal is not. This idea of the Eternal soul is pagan in origin. And the idea that Holy spirit is Eternal is Scriptural.

CONCLUSION

« It does not seem appropriate, there­fore, to conclude that Jesus promised the penitent thief that they would be together in Paradise the day they died. If the comma is placed before the adverb “today,” it becomes virtually impos­sible to reconcile the passage with what the Bible—and Jesus Himself—teaches concerning the time when the faithful dead get their final reward in heaven (cf. Luke 14:13, 14; 20:34–38; John 5:28, 29; 6:39, 40, 53–58). There is not a single instance in which the Bible writers try to comfort the believers by saying that the dead in Christ have already been taken to heaven. Comfort in the face of death is always related to the resurrection, not to the idea that at death the spirit or the soul is liberated from the body to be in God’s presence (cf. John 11:21–27; Rev. 20:6).

What the thief asked Jesus was to be remembered in His kingdom (Luke 23:42), and this is exactly what Jesus promised him, thus the dying man received peace and comfort. This is the great promise of the gospel—to be with Jesus forever (John 14:1–3; 1 Thess. 4:16, 17; Rev. 21:1–4). »

I have quoted from

https://www.ministrymagazine.org/archive/2013/06/the-significance-of-a-comma:-an-analysis-of-luke-23:43

next if the history of the pagan eternal soul. The real origin of this belief system that now is mainstream Churchianity.

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Jan 19

1Co 15:35

But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

One problem in believing in the ressurection or the life after death is the understanding of seed.

We were born twice. First from our earthly fathers seed. That is the same seed kind of seed that began with Adam.

And then there is an new kind of seed. A seed from our Heavenly Father who Created Asam. This is spiritual seed.

Ever since Adam sin he lost His spiritual birth, in other words Adam lost his eternal spirit life.

Adam was created in Gods image and that image means a reflection of God.  Since God is Spirit and not flesh as a man, we are speaking of two kinds of life and two kinds of seed.   FLeshly life and Spirit life.  The life of the flesh with out the spirit is destined to die.

To give a little background, I will back up my ideas. Why do iI think this way?  Only because it is in the Holy scriptures.

Jhn 3:3

Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

We are born a second time « again » or « from above »   That is the meaning of the Greek word « anothen » that is translated « born  gain »

Jhn 3:6

That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Jhn 4:24

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

We must understand there are two very different kinds of seed. Two kinds of life.  There is earthly flesh and there is heavenly Spirit. One is very temporary and the other eternal

1Pe 1:23

Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever

The life of the flesh is going to die and we first must accept our death to accept the Eternal  spiritual life.

1Pe 1:24

For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:

The Glory and attraction of this life fades in a comparison to the whole life of Body with a soul with the Eternal life of Spirit seated inside.

1Pe 1:22

Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently

We were purified the moment the new seed was sown into our body and souls.  We said yes to the Spirit once and then we were born from above a second time as JEsus said.

Eph 1:13

In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Our Savior Jesus was the Word in the flesh. He was a man of flesh and blood and yet He was Gods only begotten Son. Mary was never impregnated by Joseph or any seed of Adam. When Jesus was conceived itw as crucial that God placed His own perfect seed into Mary, So that Jesus could send Himself and therefore God seed into all of us who asked for it.

Heb 2:14

Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

Jesus took part, that is He was made of flesh and blood. But He also had been sent and born by God to save mankind and all the Creation.

Gen 1:11

And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

Back to the foundation of God Creation, God founded prinicples and rules that only God Himself could change. But anything God set up in Genesis remains the same unless God said He changes. He did intervene by sending His Own Son into Creation to save Creation.

Jhn 3:16

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

When God first mentioned seed it was here in Genesis in reference first to plants but then animals also. Seed was the way that both plants and animals could reproduce their kind and there image. Seed were to reproduce and continue the lineage of plants, animals as well as mankind.

Each herb or plant gave seeds. Each animal as well reproduces by sperms. And the information or genetic codes are all written in the seed. The DNA or seed determines the kind and the likeness or image

Gen 1:26

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Gen 1:27

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he the

Before Adam disobeyed God he had eternal life but when Adam listened to his wife instead of God Adam gave it up.

Gen 2:17

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

The day Adam and Eve disobeyed they did not die, but their spirit did. Their Eternal life died. So in comparison to eternity no matter how long their lives were, it was nothing compared to Eternity with God. So in Gods view they were already dying and dead.

Notice that when God first created mankind in Genesis 1 :26-27 that Mankind was created in Gods image which would mean Spirit not flesh. And Mankind was also created in Gods likeness.  This reflects that fact that seed produce only according to their own « kind and likeness »

IN Genesis there were two ways we received the texts. One translated from the original Hebrew  into the Septuagint around 300BC and another by the Masorets from Old Hebrew into a newer Hebrew form in the 7th and 10th centuries.  The Masorets interpretation is what has been accepted in the Rabbinical (Pharisaic) religion and also the Protestant Bibles. So one translation, the Septuagint, was translated about 1000 years before the Masorets. I know all of you reading this have been taught to accept the Masoretic version only because your leaders are of the Protestant or Rabbinical belief system. But we must ask why would a tranlation 1000 year later be close to the truth. Only because a denomination or the group you are in say so? That is CHurchianity for you.

I personally give more wieght to the Septuagint were it differs in translating from the Original Hebrew, un tainted with Jewish religion.

Gen 1 :11 « the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, »

So here in the KJV the words come from the Masoretic translation and they left out the word for « likeness » however it was written according to the Septuagint

Gen 1 :11  LXX the Septuagint wrote « pasturage of grass sowing seed according to type (genos) and likeness (homoiota) and the fruitful tree producing fruit of which it’s seed is in it. »

There are two things a seed does. It reproduce the same Kind or Genus and the same Likeness as the parent tree, animal or man. Our knowledgeable scientists have found this truth unbreakable, because God determines it.

There even has been found Genotypes and Phenotypes, in Genetics.  The genes or seed produce the same Genus that can interbreed species but not outside of their Genus. And varieties do evolve in breeding but only withing the same Genus. The different Phenotypes or likenesses result. Yet today mad science is trying to break Gods rules even on the Genetic level to create Chimera. Monsters formed from different seeds or species. This will have no good result when man plays God.

The word « likeness » here in Gen 1 :11 was the adjective word « homoiotes » also used in Hebrews 4 :15 and 7 :15 meaning the likeness, resembling the other.

And the noun « homoioma » meaning the state of resembling another.  The noun likeness or resemblance is used.

There is a whole study waiting on the word likeness but for now I want to say there are two very close words that link our Spiritual life we received with the second seed. That carries the same Genus or birthrights and the same resemblence as our Father who is God.

We are being born of a new kind of seed and we have overcome death. Originally we were created to be in Gods image which is Spirit and in His likeness. That means we have the ability to be like God in the world. SO when the world sees us they see The Lord and God. When we live the Love of God our new nature is revealed and the world can see His likeness in His children. We are given the birth right with this new kind of Genus to be just like Dad in this fallen world.

1Jo 4:17

Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

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The more we die daily to the flesh, the more the seed within is revealed.

Gal 2:20

I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

We have a new life in the inner man which is holy spirit living in a fleshly body. Yet the real life is the Eternal life! Not the dying one of flesh.

And one day we will shed this flesh and soul. But the holy spirit in us is a new creation. That will never die.

So as a seed of a plant, wheat or a bean, goes into the Ground it will die. But not really. The part of the seed that carries the real germ does, but never the embryo or germ.

The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

1Co 15:19

If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

We are miserable if and only if there really was no resurection from the Dead

But there is and our life depends on it!

Because we all will die and yes God does call death sleep.

1Co 15:18

Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

But if there was no resurrection from death then yes we are all dead. We are perished

The word perished « apollumi » means we are all ruined, taken apart, undone and no more.

But death is a sleep according to the Bible and it is only until Christ returns, then on that day some will be glad eto see Him and live again with Him forever! Others will not and decide to take the eternal sleep called death. They will lose and have nothing.

We have been taugth that we die and immediately go to paradise. Where did this Pagan teaching enter our scriptures. We have ideas of dying and seeing our Lord immediately. That I can agree on in the sense in a Coma or a state of unconsious sleep a minute or two thousand years is the same. The moment you go to sleep for you in our experience is the Day the Lord raises you on the Last Day of Judgement.’

Where did Christians get the idea that we will be at the Pearly Gates and Peter will let us in. Certrainly not from Gods Word. WHere did we get the idea some go directly to Hell and the devil (or God??) lets us roast in excruciatimg pain forever? Not in my Bible. Where did people think the dead are amongst us in limbo? Or that we go straight to heaven when we take our last breath?  My Bible says we are seated in the Heavens now so lets bring the Heaven into this earth by preaching the Truth. Not religious lies.

Sleep is a little death. And Death is the Big Sleep.

Mat 28:13

Saying, Say ye, His disciples came by night, and stole him away while we slept

Jhn 11:11

These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; G2837 but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.

Some physically died in Jesus time, but He raised them. Lazarus was dead yet God calls it sleep. WHy because those who die are going to wake up. EVery single one of us!. Lazarus and the others has received a gift of life but yet dies or went to sleep again. This ressurection was not forever but a temporary gift and a sign of the power Jesus had over death.

Act 7:60

And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep

When the martyr Stephen was stoned to death he was dead, yet God calls it sleep.

Stephen did not go straight to heaven but died and is in the earth waiting for the Glorious return of Jesus when we all shall see Him in the future.

1Co 15:6

After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep

This verse again refers to death, expiring and taking your last breath as sleep.

1Th 4:13

But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

1Th 4:14

For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep  in Jesus will God bring with him.

1Th 4:15

For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (go before) them which are asleep

But we do have a Hope!

Even if we die we ahall see the Lord and we already have accepted Eternal life. We already are seated in the Heavens but our bodies and souls still have a job to accomplish on earth. We are waiting for the new HEavens and earth and paradise.

This on verse had been manipulated by changing punctuation. There were never any commas in the Greek or Hebrew original texts.

Luk 23:43

And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

With our the commas Jesus was saying « I am telling you today » that even you a robber who believes in me will be in paradise when it is here on earth again.

It should be read « And He said to him « truly I say to you today you shall be with me in paradise »

In Paradise: “Paradise (paradeisos), a Persian word meaning ‘garden, park,’ was used in the Septuagint for the Garden of Eden (Genesis 2:8). It then became a type of the future bliss for God’s people in Isaiah 51:3…In the present passage it represents the state of bliss which Jesus promised to the criminal directly after death.”C Marvin Pate

I do not agree with that because without exception all wait until the trumpet call in the future and then we will be with Jesus> The dead will rise from their graves first and then those found alive will put on their eternal heavenly bodies.

1Th 4:16

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1Th 4:17

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

And then we shall never be separated in any way from the Lord and we will be with Him forever.

1Th 4:18

Wherefore comfort one another with these words

But since there is no thought, conscience or memory in death,  it is like a profound sleep. The word in Greek for sleep koimaō is where we English have derived « Coma » a very deep sleep. And that is the way I see death. It is temporary for all and some will prefer to go back to sleep. But not all, some would rather live in bliss and in PAradise!

Psalm 6 :5 KJV « For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks? »

Many Christians have been taught that we who believe the scriptures are a fringe group or heresy that beleives in the demeaning term « soul-sleep »  I beleive they who have been taught that the breath life soul of animals and men are conscious and alive without their bodies have been lied to. This teaching allow us to « pray for the dead » or « pray for baptism of the dead » and is dangerous since many have been convinced they can contact their loved ones in another world.

As Saul the King of Israel was deceived to his ruin. HE beleived that his friend Samuel could be contacted after death. SO he went to the wirtch of Endor and a familiar spirit convinced him to die in battle. Today there is a thriving business of clarivoyant mediums that will conjure their familiar spirits. Even Christians taught that there is a conscious spirit out their may try to speak with their departed husband and be misled, very misled.

We must follow only the holy spirit and the writing inspired by the holy spirit. There are many demons or unholy spirits writing doctrines of demons. It is up to us to study the scripture and rely on our own annointing when we hear any thing spiritual. Prove all things but the holy spirit will show you what to hold on too and what does nt fit.

Back to the verse that seem to stand out against so called « soul-sleep » which is what most of the rest of the Bible teaches. No life after death but waiting in the grave for the new heavens and earth.

All this confusion is cleared up by moving commas? Or does this verse become the thorn in the side of all the teaching against conscious souls?

And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

So the commas were no help since they are not in any originals. But what about the place of the adverb « today »? Does it modify the verb « to tell » or « to be » hmmm

« In Greek, there is no specific rule concerning the position of the adverb, whether before or after the verb.11 Thus, from the grammatical standpoint we find it impossible to determine if sēmeron in Luke 23:43 modifies the preceding verb (“to tell”) or the follow­ing one (“to be”). Luke, however, has a definite tendency of using this adverb with the preceding verb. »

https://www.ministrymagazine.org/archive/2013/06/the-significance-of-a-comma:-an-analysis-of-luke-23:43

« The attempt to read the adverb in Luke 23:43 in connection to the preceding verb, therefore, is not only fully acceptable in terms of gram­mar but is also in complete agreement with Luke’s literary style. »

Yet there we church fathers or so called fathers like Cassian that even in the 4th century condemned those of us that place the « today » with « to tell » as « I tell you today » As Heretics.  There was a lot of burning of heretics that were not heretics in our loving Church history… GO ask the « church father » Calvin. He burned Servetus to save us!!

In fact the idiom « it tell you today » is used in many places in the Scripture and is not proof that the promise happen on that particular day!

Deu 11:26

Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse;

Deu 11:27

A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day:

The consequences of disobeying did not all come on the same day the Lord taught them did they?

Deu 28:13

And the LORD shall make thee the head, and not the tail; and thou shalt be above only, and thou shalt not be beneath; if that thou hearken unto the commandments of the LORD thy God, which I command thee this day, to observe and to do them:

Deu 6:6

And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

Deu 7:11

Thou shalt therefore keep the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which I command thee this day, to do them.

Deu 8:19

And it shall be, if thou do at all forget the LORD thy God, and walk after other gods, and serve them, and worship them, I testify against you this day that ye shall surely perish.

I do not think that the perished literally on the day the Lord testified against them, do you/

So how do we base the life of a soul being in Paradise the same day Jesus solemnly promised « you shall be in Paradise »? 

I do see it a comfort to know that I and my loved ones are uncoscious and it is a blissful sleep to die knowing our hope. Knowing we all shall be risen on that Glorious day where Jesus will jusdge the Living and the dead. It is more of a comfort than imagining the spirits of my loved ones in some uncertain state in an unknown place or even maybe hauting my attic. That is no comfort. But realizing death is temporary and their is absolutely no though in death like the sleep in a coma or the time in anethesia.  No sensation is better, no consciousness while wating.

Because if it is like anesthesia, then whether it is an hour or a century it is all the same to the observer, who is us. So virtually we are going to see JEsus face to face welcoming us who love Him at the moment we close our eyes for the last time. We will virtually be in Paradise the moment we die, yet for the others we leave alive, we are rotting int the grave. God will still bring every molecule together at the last day of all the dead, and God can do that if He promised.

Mat 25 : 31-32  “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne.  Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. »

Only then will He invite His followers to inherit the kingdom prepared for them since the beginning of the world, his event will be a glorious moment of reunion in which the final and complete celebration of deliverance from sin will take place

Luk 22:14

And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him.

Luk 22:15

And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:

Luk 22:16

For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.

Luk 22:18

For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.

Paul teaches that the believers who die will come forth from their graves at Jesus’ second coming (1 Cor. 15:20–23), and then the gift of immortality will be bestowed on them (vv. 51–55). He never tries to comfort the living by saying that the deceased are already with Jesus in heaven.

IN fact now that we ARE in Christ  we are sealed and have been seated  IN HEAVEN!

Eph 1:3

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

Were already in heaven today in the middle of a dead world. Yet our Hope is AT HIS PERSONAL RETURN OR COMING ….Paradise and a NEW HEAVEN AND EARTH!

1 Corinthiens 15.20–23 (ESV)

20 But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.

He never tries to comfort the living by saying that the deceased are already with Jesus in heaven. On the contrary, he attempts to bring peace to their hearts by reminding them of The resurrection (1 Thess. 4:13– 18; cf. 2 Cor. 1:8–10; Phil. 3:8–11), and that only when Jesus comes again both the resurrected righteous and righteous living will be caught up together to meet Him in the air, and so they will be with Him forever (see 1 Thess. 4:17).

Now this verse in Luke fits in harmony if we just leave the commas out of the argument!

Besides, according to Paul, Jesus’ resurrection, not His death, gives the righteous any hope for life after death

1 Cor 15 :16-20 « For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. »

How, then, does one make sense of the idea that Jesus had promised the thief that they would be together in Paradise that same day, especially because the Bible also clearly teaches that the day He died, Christ went into the grave

To argue that only Christ’s body went into the grave while His spirit ascended to heaven20 is to ignore the fact that, early on the resurrection morning, He told Mary not to hold on to Him because He had not yet gone to the Father

Jhn 20:17

Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

So where did Jesus go. Some teach he preached to dead spirits. That is not in the Bible anywhere!! Some teach his spirit was with God because He commited his spirit to God. Yes God takes care of those who are asleep and so I can commit my spirit to GOd every night I do. Yes God does take care of those a sleep in the grave as well. God able.

The real heresy is to teach that when we die our bodies decay yet our « eternal soul » goes somewhere and is conscious.  That is not a comfort not know where you are going with lots of doubts.  Our Comfort is the Final Ressurection Day. This idea of an eternal soul is Pagan.  I am not talking a about the Holy spirit that God Gave to us. That is Eternal but the soul life we share in common with all animal is not. This idea of the Eternal soul is pagan in origin. And the idea that Holy spirit is Eternal is Scriptural.

CONCLUSION

« It does not seem appropriate, there­fore, to conclude that Jesus promised the penitent thief that they would be together in Paradise the day they died. If the comma is placed before the adverb “today,” it becomes virtually impos­sible to reconcile the passage with what the Bible—and Jesus Himself—teaches concerning the time when the faithful dead get their final reward in heaven (cf. Luke 14:13, 14; 20:34–38; John 5:28, 29; 6:39, 40, 53–58). There is not a single instance in which the Bible writers try to comfort the believers by saying that the dead in Christ have already been taken to heaven. Comfort in the face of death is always related to the resurrection, not to the idea that at death the spirit or the soul is liberated from the body to be in God’s presence (cf. John 11:21–27; Rev. 20:6).

What the thief asked Jesus was to be remembered in His kingdom (Luke 23:42), and this is exactly what Jesus promised him, thus the dying man received peace and comfort. This is the great promise of the gospel—to be with Jesus forever (John 14:1–3; 1 Thess. 4:16, 17; Rev. 21:1–4). »

I have quoted from

https://www.ministrymagazine.org/archive/2013/06/the-significance-of-a-comma:-an-analysis-of-luke-23:43

next if the history of the pagan eternal soul. The real origin of this belief system that now is mainstream Churchianity.

This belief of the soul surviving and being immortal without a body came f.rom the Egyptian religion and Babylonian religion. Then it was packed in Greek Philosophy and Platonism. Yet this did not make it Biblical or correct. It was absorbed by the so called church Fathers and accepted by the Roman Empire Church. This was never ever taught in Gods Word. Just need to read the scripture and stop following traditions of men.
These mainstream Christians denigrate us who believe in the waiting for the Blessed Return of of Savior as believing in “soul sleep” And I think sleep is such a blessing when you know who you will wake up to see.
But the Catholics will have a hard time having intercession for the dead if they are really dead.
Séances will be out of business because the familiar spirits will be exposed
No more powerful prayers for the departed souls!
We are in heaven ans supposed by our Lord to bring Heaven to earth. We are not going to be playing harps and eating chocolate on the cummulus clouds. Now will not even need to knock knock on heavens pearly doorss! All myth. We will be eating the roots under the clods in our graves. But what a peaceful sleep to be waiting for our heavenly bodies and ever be with our Lord
We may not have immortal souls but we have the Eternal Spirit by the Faith of the Son of God

I am a student and I am engaged

But critical thinking is common to the core

Buzzwords tire my mind like a whore

Guided reading makes me enraged

Globalism is only an exit strategy

Spiraling down to the abyss

For empowerment by diversity

And other garbage you learned at the university

Oh the new paradigm!

The New world order’s big reset

Set on her throne of splendor called the new normal

A sea of Change and now a paradigm shift

Under a once in a century alignment

Of Jupiter who covered Saturn evil star

We are the millennial warfighters

Waging a spirit war in the heaven

Space force warriors in their stations

Buy the enabling serum!

DRILL DOWN! Your not entitled

But drink the blood anyways

No more story telling or hurding of cats

In a sustainable playpen

Be on the bleeding edge of the block chain

UN Agenda from hell eutopia

Sustaining some equally

But sustaining some a lot more

They tell you to be happy with nada

And smile on the floor as the boot presses down

So Church webinars and AI bots

Cannot solve the sustaining problem

Who holds every thing up?

Who supports the earth

And not just the earth

The Universe and all creation is Gods

He is our sustainability

perfect Eternity needs no one to sustain

He is our sun and light

He sustains the whole deep webbed world in His hands.

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Semer, récolter et la règle d’or

Posté le 13 août 2015 par Paul Ellis // 53 commentaires

karma v grâceDepuis la nuit des temps, il y a deux visions du monde, deux arbres, et deux façons de vivre. L’une est le karma (vous récoltez ce que vous avez semé), et l’autre est la grâce (vous récoltez ce que quelqu’un d’autre a semé).

Ce monde fonctionne sur le karma : faites le bien, obtenez le bien. Si vous faites du mal, vous aurez du mal. Mais le royaume de Dieu fonctionne par la grâce : Dieu est bon pour vous. Point final !

L’ancienne alliance de la loi fonctionnait sur le karma : obéis et tu seras béni. Désobéissez et vous serez maudit. Mais la nouvelle alliance fonctionne par la grâce : Vous êtes béni parce que le Christ a obéi.

Karma et grâce

Le karma concerne la rétribution et le retour sur investissement, mais la grâce concerne le pardon et la faveur. L’un traite de la vengeance, l’autre de la paix.

L’un des plus grands poètes de notre époque distingue ainsi le karma et la grâce :

Au centre de toutes les religions se trouve l’idée du karma. Vous savez, ce que vous faites vous revient : œil pour œil, dent pour dent, ou encore, en physique, dans les lois physiques, à chaque action répond une action égale ou opposée. Il est clair pour moi que le karma est au cœur même de l’univers. J’en suis absolument certain. Pourtant, l’idée de la grâce vient bouleverser le principe du “ce que tu récoltes, tu le sèmes”. La grâce défie la raison et la logique. L’amour interrompt, si vous voulez, les conséquences de vos actions, ce qui, dans mon cas, est une très bonne nouvelle, car j’ai fait beaucoup de choses stupides. ~ Bono

Tout au long de la Bible, vous trouverez des personnes qui ont fait confiance au karma ou à la grâce. Job croyait au karma (il faisait des sacrifices pour expier le comportement de ses enfants), mais David croyait à la grâce (“Aie pitié de moi, ô Dieu, selon ta bonté”).

Jésus n’est pas venu pour nous rappeler le karma, mais pour nous révéler l’étonnante bonne nouvelle de la grâce. Sa grâce a changé le monde. Elle a certainement changé l’apôtre Paul. L’apôtre de la grâce a consacré sa vie à proclamer l’évangile de la grâce de Dieu. Tout ce qu’il disait était de la grâce.

Ou bien l’était-il ?

Ne vous y trompez pas : On ne peut pas se moquer de Dieu. L’homme récolte ce qu’il a semé. (Gal 6:7)

Ce n’est pas de la grâce – c’est semer et récolter – et c’est un contraste frappant avec le message d’hyper-grâce que Paul prêchait. Alors pourquoi Paul dit-il cela ? Veut-il que nous mélangions la grâce et le karma ? Sommes-nous censés faire confiance à Dieu pour certaines de ses bénédictions, mais à nous-mêmes pour le reste ? Aucune chance !

Semer à l’Esprit

Paul le dit parce que tout le monde ne parle pas le langage de la grâce. Cependant, tout le monde comprend ce qu’est semer et récolter. C’est un langage universel. “Si c’est là votre langage, dit Paul, veillez à bien semer, de peur de récolter une mauvaise récolte.”

Celui qui sème pour plaire à sa chair, de la chair il récoltera la destruction. (Gal 6:8a)

Semer pour la chair n’est pas un choix intelligent. C’est suivre Adam sur le chemin solitaire de la méfiance et de la mort. Chaque fois que nous nous appuyons sur notre propre chair – nos capacités et notre compréhension on s’expose à un désastre. C’est une façon destructive de vivre. Heureusement, il existe un meilleur moyen :

Celui qui sème pour plaire à l’Esprit, récoltera de l’Esprit la vie éternelle. (Gal 6:8b)

Comment semer pour plaire à l’Esprit ? Lisez les Galates. Marcher au rythme de l’Esprit, c’est lui faire confiance. C’est vivre par la foi dans le Fils de Dieu (Ga 2:20). C’est se rapporter à Dieu comme à un Père (Ga 4:6).

Semer

La règle d’or

Semer et récolter est une réalité de la vie (demandez à n’importe quel agriculteur). Vous pouvez utiliser ce principe pour encourager le don, comme Paul le fait parfois (par exemple : 2 Cor 9:6). Vous pouvez également l’utiliser pour promouvoir un bon comportement, comme Jésus l’a fait lorsqu’il a énoncé la règle d’or (“Faites aux autres ce que vous voudriez qu’ils vous fassent”, Luc 6:31). Mais ce que vous ne pouvez pas faire, c’est l’utiliser pour acheter les dons gratuits de Dieu.

Semer et récolter n’est pas mauvais, et le ciel me préserve de le suggérer, mais il y a une meilleure façon de vivre. Au lieu d’être bon pour être bon, vivez dans la bonté de Dieu. Au lieu d’attendre, d’attendre, d’attendre que vos petites graines poussent, vivez maintenant dans la récolte abondante de la grâce de Dieu.

Comment cela fonctionne-t-il ?

Prenez la règle d’or comme exemple. Ceux qui passent à côté de la grâce de Jésus utilisent cette règle comme un guide pour une vie de bon karma. Ils invitent des gens dans l’espoir d’être réinvités. Ils aident les autres dans l’espoir d’être aidés en retour. Ce n’est pas une mauvaise façon de vivre, mais cela ne reflète pas le cœur de celui qui a dit ceci :

Aimez vos ennemis, faites-leur du bien, et prêtez-leur sans vous attendre à recevoir quelque chose en retour. (Luc 6:35a)

Il n’y a rien de spécial à faire du bien à ceux qui sont bons envers vous (Luc 6:33). C’est ordinaire. Ce qui est extraordinaire, c’est de faire aux autres ce que Dieu a fait pour vous. C’est bénir ceux qui vous maudissent, aimer vos ennemis, et pardonner comme le Christ vous a pardonné.

Alors votre récompense sera grande, et vous serez les enfants du Très-Haut, car il est bon pour les ingrats et les méchants (Luc 6:35b).

Vous voyez la différence ?

Vivre selon le karma, c’est faire confiance à l’homme. C’est dire : “Je serai bon car on récolte ce que l’on sème. Je fais confiance à l’humanité.” Vous allez être déçu !

Mais vivre par la grâce, c’est faire confiance à Dieu. C’est dire : “Mon Père a été si bon avec moi, comment pourrais-je ne pas partager sa bonté avec les autres ?”. Vivez de cette façon et vous ne serez jamais déçu, car la bonté de Dieu dépasse toujours nos attentes.

Et c’est la règle la plus dorée de toutes !

Une âme immortelle, ça n’existe pas. Mais il y a un Esprit Éternel.

L’histoire de l’enseignement de l’âme immortelle

Malgré l’utilisation répandue de l’expression “âme immortelle”, cette terminologie ne se trouve nulle part dans la Bible. D’où vient l’idée d’une âme immortelle ?

Platon (428-348 av. J.-C.), philosophe grec et élève de Socrate.Wikimedia Commons

Platon, le philosophe grec, enseignait que le corps et l’âme immortelle se séparent à la mort.

Le concept de l’immortalité supposée de l’âme a été enseigné pour la première fois dans l’Égypte ancienne et à Babylone. “La croyance que l’âme continue d’exister après la dissolution du corps est… une spéculation… et n’est nulle part expressément enseignée dans les Saintes Écritures… La croyance en l’immortalité de l’âme est venue aux Juifs au contact de la pensée grecque et principalement à travers la philosophie de Platon, son principal représentant, qui y a été conduit par les mystères orphiques et éleusiniens dans lesquels les vues babyloniennes et égyptiennes étaient étrangement mélangées” (Encyclopédie juive, 1941, Vol. 6, “Immortalité de l’âme”, pp. 564, 566).

L’histoire séculaire révèle que le concept de l’immortalité de l’âme est une ancienne croyance embrassée par de nombreuses religions païennes. Mais ce n’est pas un enseignement biblique et on ne le trouve ni dans l’Ancien ni dans le Nouveau Testament.

Platon (428-348 av. J.-C.), philosophe grec et élève de Socrate, enseignait que le corps et “l’âme immortelle” se séparent à la mort. L’International Standard Bible Encyclopedia commente la vision qu’avait l’ancien Israël de l’âme : “Nous sommes toujours plus ou moins influencés par l’idée grecque, platonicienne, que le corps meurt, mais que l’âme est immortelle. Une telle idée est tout à fait contraire à la conscience israélite et ne se trouve nulle part dans l’Ancien Testament” (1960, Vol. 2, “Death”, p. 812).

Le christianisme primitif a été influencé et corrompu par les philosophies grecques à mesure qu’il se répandait dans le monde grec et romain. Vers l’an 200, la doctrine de l’immortalité de l’âme est devenue un sujet de controverse parmi les croyants chrétiens.

Le Evangelical Dictionary of Theology note qu’Origène, un théologien catholique précoce et influent, a été influencé par les penseurs grecs : “Les spéculations sur l’âme dans l’église subapostolique étaient fortement influencées par la philosophie grecque. On le voit dans l’acceptation par Origène de la doctrine de Platon sur la préexistence de l’âme en tant qu’esprit pur (nous) à l’origine, qui, en raison de sa chute de Dieu, s’est refroidie en âme (psyché) lorsqu’elle a perdu sa participation au feu divin en regardant vers la terre ” (1992, ” Soul “, p. 1037).

Les auteurs mortalistes, tels que Thomas Hobbes dans le Léviathan, ont souvent soutenu que la doctrine de l’immortalité naturelle (ou innée) ne provient pas de la pensée hébraïque telle qu’elle est présentée dans la Bible, mais plutôt de l’influence païenne, en particulier de la philosophie grecque et des enseignements de Platon, ou de la tradition chrétienne. [50] L’évêque de Durham N.T. Wright a noté que 1 Timothée 6:15-16 enseigne que “Dieu… seul est immortel”, tandis que dans 2 Timothée 1:10 il est dit que l’immortalité ne vient aux êtres humains que comme un don par l’intermédiaire de l’évangile. L’immortalité doit être recherchée (Romains 2:7) et n’est donc pas inhérente à l’humanité.

Ces groupes peuvent prétendre que la doctrine du sommeil de l’âme réconcilie deux traditions apparemment contradictoires dans la Bible : l’ancien concept hébreu selon lequel l’être humain est mortel et n’a pas d’existence significative après la mort (voir שאול, Sheol et le Livre de l’Ecclésiaste), et la croyance juive et chrétienne ultérieure en la résurrection des morts et l’immortalité personnelle après le Jour du Jugement.

Cette croyance de l’âme survivant et étant immortelle sans corps est venue de la religion égyptienne et de la religion babylonienne. Puis elle a été emballée dans la philosophie grecque et le platonisme. Mais cela ne la rendait pas biblique ou correcte. Elle a été absorbée par les soi-disant Pères de l’Église et acceptée par l’Église de l’Empire romain. Cela n’a jamais été enseigné dans la Parole de Dieu. Il suffit de lire l’Écriture et d’arrêter de suivre les traditions des hommes.

Ces chrétiens traditionnels dénigrent ceux qui croient en l’attente du retour béni du Sauveur en disant qu’ils croient au “sommeil de l’âme”. Et je pense que le sommeil est une telle bénédiction quand on sait qui on va voir au réveil.

Mais les catholiques auront du mal à intercéder pour les morts s’ils sont vraiment morts.

Les séances de spiritisme n’auront plus lieu d’être car les esprits familiers seront exposés.

Nous n’avons peut-être pas d’âmes immortelles mais nous avons l’Esprit Eternel par la Foi du Fils de Dieu.

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L’histoire séculaire révèle que le concept de l’immortalité de l’âme est une ancienne croyance adoptée par de nombreuses religions païennes. Mais ce n’est pas un enseignement biblique et on ne le trouve ni dans l’Ancien ni dans le Nouveau Testament.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_mortalism

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Immortal soul is not Eternal Spirit!

.No such thing an inmmortal soul. But there is Eternal Spirit.

The History of the Immortal-Soul Teaching

Despite widespread use of the phrase immortal soul, this terminology is found nowhere in the Bible. Where did the idea of an immortal soul originate?

Plato (428-348 B.C.), the Greek philosopher and student of Socrates.Wikimedia Commons

Plato, the Greek philosopher, taught that the body and the immortal soul separate at death.

The concept of the soul’s supposed immortality was first taught in ancient Egypt and Babylon. “The belief that the soul continues in existence after the dissolution of the body is…speculation…nowhere expressly taught in Holy Scripture…The belief in the immortality of the soul came to the Jews from contact with Greek thought and chiefly through the philosophy of Plato, its principal exponent, who was led to it through Orphic and Eleusinian mysteries in which Babylonian and Egyptian views were strangely blended” (Jewish Encyclopedia, 1941, Vol. 6, “Immortality of the Soul,” pp. 564, 566).

Secular history reveals that the concept of the immortality of the soul is an ancient belief embraced by many pagan religions. But it’s not a biblical teaching and is not found in either the Old or New Testaments.

Plato (428-348 B.C.), the Greek philosopher and student of Socrates, taught that the body and the “immortal soul” separate at death. The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia comments on ancient Israel’s view of the soul: “We are influenced always more or less by the Greek, Platonic idea that the body dies, yet the soul is immortal. Such an idea is utterly contrary to the Israelite consciousness and is nowhere found in the Old Testament” (1960, Vol. 2, “Death,” p. 812).

Early Christianity was influenced and corrupted by Greek philosophies as it spread through the Greek and Roman world. By A.D. 200 the doctrine of the immortality of the soul became a controversy among Christian believers.

The Evangelical Dictionary of Theology notes that Origen, an early and influential Catholic theologian, was influenced by Greek thinkers: “Speculation about the soul in the subapostolic church was heavily influenced by Greek philosophy. This is seen in Origen’s acceptance of Plato’s doctrine of the preexistence of the soul as pure mind (nous) originally, which, by reason of its fall from God, cooled down to soul (psyche) when it lost its participation in the divine fire by looking earthward” (1992, “Soul,” p. 1037).

Secular history reveals that the concept of the immortality of the soul is an ancient belief embraced by many pagan religions. But it’s not a biblical teaching and is not found in either the Old or New Testaments.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_mortalism

Mortalists writers, such as Thomas Hobbes in Leviathan, have often argued that the doctrine of natural (or innate) immortality stems not from Hebrew thought as presented in the Bible, but rather from pagan influence, particularly Greek philosophy and the teachings of Plato, or Christian tradition.[50] Bishop of Durham N.T. Wright noted that 1 Timothy 6:15–16 teaches “God… alone is immortal,” while in 2 Timothy 1:10 it says that immortality only comes to human beings as a gift through the gospel. Immortality is something to be sought after (Romans 2:7) therefore it is not inherent to all humanity

These groups may claim that the doctrine of soul sleep reconciles two seemingly conflicting traditions in the Bible: the ancient Hebrew concept that the human being is mortal with no meaningful existence after death (see שאול, Sheol and the Book of Ecclesiastes), and the later Jewish and Christian belief in the resurrection of the dead and personal immortality after Judgment Day.

This belief of the soul surviving and being immortal without a body came from the Egyptian religion and Babylonian religion. Then it was packed in Greek Philosophy and Platonism. Yet this did not make it Biblical or correct. It was absorbed by the so called church Fathers and accepted by the Roman Empire Church. This was never ever taught in Gods Word. Just need to read the scripture and stop following traditions of men.

These mainstream Christians denigrate us who believe the the waiting for the Blessed Return of of Savior as believing in “soul sleep” And I think sleep is such a blessing when uou know who you will wake up to see

But the Catholics will have a hard time having intercession for the dead if the are really dead.

Séances will be out of business because the familiar spirits will be exposed