The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

1Co 15:19

If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

We are miserable if and only if there really was no resurection from the Dead

But there is and our life depends on it!

Because we all will die and yes God does call death sleep.

1Co 15:18

Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

But if there was no resurrection from death then yes we are all dead. We are perished

The word perished « apollumi » means we are all ruined, taken apart, undone and no more.

But death is a sleep according to the Bible and it is only until Christ returns, then on that day some will be glad eto see Him and live again with Him forever! Others will not and decide to take the eternal sleep called death. They will lose and have nothing.

We have been taugth that we die and immediately go to paradise. Where did this Pagan teaching enter our scriptures. We have ideas of dying and seeing our Lord immediately. That I can agree on in the sense in a Coma or a state of unconsious sleep a minute or two thousand years is the same. The moment you go to sleep for you in our experience is the Day the Lord raises you on the Last Day of Judgement.’

Where did Christians get the idea that we will be at the Pearly Gates and Peter will let us in. Certrainly not from Gods Word. WHere did we get the idea some go directly to Hell and the devil (or God??) lets us roast in excruciatimg pain forever? Not in my Bible. Where did people think the dead are amongst us in limbo? Or that we go straight to heaven when we take our last breath?  My Bible says we are seated in the Heavens now so lets bring the Heaven into this earth by preaching the Truth. Not religious lies.

Sleep is a little death. And Death is the Big Sleep.

Mat 28:13

Saying, Say ye, His disciples came by night, and stole him away while we slept

Jhn 11:11

These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; G2837 but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.

Some physically died in Jesus time, but He raised them. Lazarus was dead yet God calls it sleep. WHy because those who die are going to wake up. EVery single one of us!. Lazarus and the others has received a gift of life but yet dies or went to sleep again. This ressurection was not forever but a temporary gift and a sign of the power Jesus had over death.

Act 7:60

And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep

When the martyr Stephen was stoned to death he was dead, yet God calls it sleep.

Stephen did not go straight to heaven but died and is in the earth waiting for the Glorious return of Jesus when we all shall see Him in the future.

1Co 15:6

After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep

This verse again refers to death, expiring and taking your last breath as sleep.

1Th 4:13

But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

1Th 4:14

For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep  in Jesus will God bring with him.

1Th 4:15

For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (go before) them which are asleep

But we do have a Hope!

Even if we die we ahall see the Lord and we already have accepted Eternal life. We already are seated in the Heavens but our bodies and souls still have a job to accomplish on earth. We are waiting for the new HEavens and earth and paradise.

This on verse had been manipulated by changing punctuation. There were never any commas in the Greek or Hebrew original texts.

Luk 23:43

And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

With our the commas Jesus was saying « I am telling you today » that even you a robber who believes in me will be in paradise when it is here on earth again.

It should be read « And He said to him « truly I say to you today you shall be with me in paradise »

In Paradise: “Paradise (paradeisos), a Persian word meaning ‘garden, park,’ was used in the Septuagint for the Garden of Eden (Genesis 2:8). It then became a type of the future bliss for God’s people in Isaiah 51:3…In the present passage it represents the state of bliss which Jesus promised to the criminal directly after death.”C Marvin Pate

I do not agree with that because without exception all wait until the trumpet call in the future and then we will be with Jesus> The dead will rise from their graves first and then those found alive will put on their eternal heavenly bodies.

1Th 4:16

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1Th 4:17

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

And then we shall never be separated in any way from the Lord and we will be with Him forever.

1Th 4:18

Wherefore comfort one another with these words

But since there is no thought, conscience or memory in death,  it is like a profound sleep. The word in Greek for sleep koimaō is where we English have derived « Coma » a very deep sleep. And that is the way I see death. It is temporary for all and some will prefer to go back to sleep. But not all, some would rather live in bliss and in PAradise!

Psalm 6 :5 KJV « For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks? »

Many Christians have been taught that we who believe the scriptures are a fringe group or heresy that beleives in the demeaning term « soul-sleep »  I beleive they who have been taught that the breath life soul of animals and men are conscious and alive without their bodies have been lied to. This teaching allow us to « pray for the dead » or « pray for baptism of the dead » and is dangerous since many have been convinced they can contact their loved ones in another world.

As Saul the King of Israel was deceived to his ruin. HE beleived that his friend Samuel could be contacted after death. SO he went to the wirtch of Endor and a familiar spirit convinced him to die in battle. Today there is a thriving business of clarivoyant mediums that will conjure their familiar spirits. Even Christians taught that there is a conscious spirit out their may try to speak with their departed husband and be misled, very misled.

We must follow only the holy spirit and the writing inspired by the holy spirit. There are many demons or unholy spirits writing doctrines of demons. It is up to us to study the scripture and rely on our own annointing when we hear any thing spiritual. Prove all things but the holy spirit will show you what to hold on too and what does nt fit.

Back to the verse that seem to stand out against so called « soul-sleep » which is what most of the rest of the Bible teaches. No life after death but waiting in the grave for the new heavens and earth.

All this confusion is cleared up by moving commas? Or does this verse become the thorn in the side of all the teaching against conscious souls?

And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

So the commas were no help since they are not in any originals. But what about the place of the adverb « today »? Does it modify the verb « to tell » or « to be » hmmm

« In Greek, there is no specific rule concerning the position of the adverb, whether before or after the verb.11 Thus, from the grammatical standpoint we find it impossible to determine if sēmeron in Luke 23:43 modifies the preceding verb (“to tell”) or the follow­ing one (“to be”). Luke, however, has a definite tendency of using this adverb with the preceding verb. »

https://www.ministrymagazine.org/archive/2013/06/the-significance-of-a-comma:-an-analysis-of-luke-23:43

« The attempt to read the adverb in Luke 23:43 in connection to the preceding verb, therefore, is not only fully acceptable in terms of gram­mar but is also in complete agreement with Luke’s literary style. »

Yet there we church fathers or so called fathers like Cassian that even in the 4th century condemned those of us that place the « today » with « to tell » as « I tell you today » As Heretics.  There was a lot of burning of heretics that were not heretics in our loving Church history… GO ask the « church father » Calvin. He burned Servetus to save us!!

In fact the idiom « it tell you today » is used in many places in the Scripture and is not proof that the promise happen on that particular day!

Deu 11:26

Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse;

Deu 11:27

A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day:

The consequences of disobeying did not all come on the same day the Lord taught them did they?

Deu 28:13

And the LORD shall make thee the head, and not the tail; and thou shalt be above only, and thou shalt not be beneath; if that thou hearken unto the commandments of the LORD thy God, which I command thee this day, to observe and to do them:

Deu 6:6

And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

Deu 7:11

Thou shalt therefore keep the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which I command thee this day, to do them.

Deu 8:19

And it shall be, if thou do at all forget the LORD thy God, and walk after other gods, and serve them, and worship them, I testify against you this day that ye shall surely perish.

I do not think that the perished literally on the day the Lord testified against them, do you/

So how do we base the life of a soul being in Paradise the same day Jesus solemnly promised « you shall be in Paradise »? 

I do see it a comfort to know that I and my loved ones are uncoscious and it is a blissful sleep to die knowing our hope. Knowing we all shall be risen on that Glorious day where Jesus will jusdge the Living and the dead. It is more of a comfort than imagining the spirits of my loved ones in some uncertain state in an unknown place or even maybe hauting my attic. That is no comfort. But realizing death is temporary and their is absolutely no though in death like the sleep in a coma or the time in anethesia.  No sensation is better, no consciousness while wating.

Because if it is like anesthesia, then whether it is an hour or a century it is all the same to the observer, who is us. So virtually we are going to see JEsus face to face welcoming us who love Him at the moment we close our eyes for the last time. We will virtually be in Paradise the moment we die, yet for the others we leave alive, we are rotting int the grave. God will still bring every molecule together at the last day of all the dead, and God can do that if He promised.

Mat 25 : 31-32  “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne.  Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. »

Only then will He invite His followers to inherit the kingdom prepared for them since the beginning of the world, his event will be a glorious moment of reunion in which the final and complete celebration of deliverance from sin will take place

Luk 22:14

And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him.

Luk 22:15

And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:

Luk 22:16

For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.

Luk 22:18

For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.

Paul teaches that the believers who die will come forth from their graves at Jesus’ second coming (1 Cor. 15:20–23), and then the gift of immortality will be bestowed on them (vv. 51–55). He never tries to comfort the living by saying that the deceased are already with Jesus in heaven.

IN fact now that we ARE in Christ  we are sealed and have been seated  IN HEAVEN!

Eph 1:3

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

Were already in heaven today in the middle of a dead world. Yet our Hope is AT HIS PERSONAL RETURN OR COMING ….Paradise and a NEW HEAVEN AND EARTH!

1 Corinthiens 15.20–23 (ESV)

20 But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.

He never tries to comfort the living by saying that the deceased are already with Jesus in heaven. On the contrary, he attempts to bring peace to their hearts by reminding them of The resurrection (1 Thess. 4:13– 18; cf. 2 Cor. 1:8–10; Phil. 3:8–11), and that only when Jesus comes again both the resurrected righteous and righteous living will be caught up together to meet Him in the air, and so they will be with Him forever (see 1 Thess. 4:17).

Now this verse in Luke fits in harmony if we just leave the commas out of the argument!

Besides, according to Paul, Jesus’ resurrection, not His death, gives the righteous any hope for life after death

1 Cor 15 :16-20 « For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. »

How, then, does one make sense of the idea that Jesus had promised the thief that they would be together in Paradise that same day, especially because the Bible also clearly teaches that the day He died, Christ went into the grave

To argue that only Christ’s body went into the grave while His spirit ascended to heaven20 is to ignore the fact that, early on the resurrection morning, He told Mary not to hold on to Him because He had not yet gone to the Father

Jhn 20:17

Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

So where did Jesus go. Some teach he preached to dead spirits. That is not in the Bible anywhere!! Some teach his spirit was with God because He commited his spirit to God. Yes God takes care of those who are asleep and so I can commit my spirit to GOd every night I do. Yes God does take care of those a sleep in the grave as well. God able.

The real heresy is to teach that when we die our bodies decay yet our « eternal soul » goes somewhere and is conscious.  That is not a comfort not know where you are going with lots of doubts.  Our Comfort is the Final Ressurection Day. This idea of an eternal soul is Pagan.  I am not talking a about the Holy spirit that God Gave to us. That is Eternal but the soul life we share in common with all animal is not. This idea of the Eternal soul is pagan in origin. And the idea that Holy spirit is Eternal is Scriptural.

CONCLUSION

« It does not seem appropriate, there­fore, to conclude that Jesus promised the penitent thief that they would be together in Paradise the day they died. If the comma is placed before the adverb “today,” it becomes virtually impos­sible to reconcile the passage with what the Bible—and Jesus Himself—teaches concerning the time when the faithful dead get their final reward in heaven (cf. Luke 14:13, 14; 20:34–38; John 5:28, 29; 6:39, 40, 53–58). There is not a single instance in which the Bible writers try to comfort the believers by saying that the dead in Christ have already been taken to heaven. Comfort in the face of death is always related to the resurrection, not to the idea that at death the spirit or the soul is liberated from the body to be in God’s presence (cf. John 11:21–27; Rev. 20:6).

What the thief asked Jesus was to be remembered in His kingdom (Luke 23:42), and this is exactly what Jesus promised him, thus the dying man received peace and comfort. This is the great promise of the gospel—to be with Jesus forever (John 14:1–3; 1 Thess. 4:16, 17; Rev. 21:1–4). »

I have quoted from

https://www.ministrymagazine.org/archive/2013/06/the-significance-of-a-comma:-an-analysis-of-luke-23:43

next if the history of the pagan eternal soul. The real origin of this belief system that now is mainstream Churchianity.

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Jan 19

1Co 15:35

But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

One problem in believing in the ressurection or the life after death is the understanding of seed.

We were born twice. First from our earthly fathers seed. That is the same seed kind of seed that began with Adam.

And then there is an new kind of seed. A seed from our Heavenly Father who Created Asam. This is spiritual seed.

Ever since Adam sin he lost His spiritual birth, in other words Adam lost his eternal spirit life.

Adam was created in Gods image and that image means a reflection of God.  Since God is Spirit and not flesh as a man, we are speaking of two kinds of life and two kinds of seed.   FLeshly life and Spirit life.  The life of the flesh with out the spirit is destined to die.

To give a little background, I will back up my ideas. Why do iI think this way?  Only because it is in the Holy scriptures.

Jhn 3:3

Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

We are born a second time « again » or « from above »   That is the meaning of the Greek word « anothen » that is translated « born  gain »

Jhn 3:6

That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Jhn 4:24

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

We must understand there are two very different kinds of seed. Two kinds of life.  There is earthly flesh and there is heavenly Spirit. One is very temporary and the other eternal

1Pe 1:23

Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever

The life of the flesh is going to die and we first must accept our death to accept the Eternal  spiritual life.

1Pe 1:24

For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:

The Glory and attraction of this life fades in a comparison to the whole life of Body with a soul with the Eternal life of Spirit seated inside.

1Pe 1:22

Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently

We were purified the moment the new seed was sown into our body and souls.  We said yes to the Spirit once and then we were born from above a second time as JEsus said.

Eph 1:13

In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Our Savior Jesus was the Word in the flesh. He was a man of flesh and blood and yet He was Gods only begotten Son. Mary was never impregnated by Joseph or any seed of Adam. When Jesus was conceived itw as crucial that God placed His own perfect seed into Mary, So that Jesus could send Himself and therefore God seed into all of us who asked for it.

Heb 2:14

Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

Jesus took part, that is He was made of flesh and blood. But He also had been sent and born by God to save mankind and all the Creation.

Gen 1:11

And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

Back to the foundation of God Creation, God founded prinicples and rules that only God Himself could change. But anything God set up in Genesis remains the same unless God said He changes. He did intervene by sending His Own Son into Creation to save Creation.

Jhn 3:16

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

When God first mentioned seed it was here in Genesis in reference first to plants but then animals also. Seed was the way that both plants and animals could reproduce their kind and there image. Seed were to reproduce and continue the lineage of plants, animals as well as mankind.

Each herb or plant gave seeds. Each animal as well reproduces by sperms. And the information or genetic codes are all written in the seed. The DNA or seed determines the kind and the likeness or image

Gen 1:26

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Gen 1:27

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he the

Before Adam disobeyed God he had eternal life but when Adam listened to his wife instead of God Adam gave it up.

Gen 2:17

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

The day Adam and Eve disobeyed they did not die, but their spirit did. Their Eternal life died. So in comparison to eternity no matter how long their lives were, it was nothing compared to Eternity with God. So in Gods view they were already dying and dead.

Notice that when God first created mankind in Genesis 1 :26-27 that Mankind was created in Gods image which would mean Spirit not flesh. And Mankind was also created in Gods likeness.  This reflects that fact that seed produce only according to their own « kind and likeness »

IN Genesis there were two ways we received the texts. One translated from the original Hebrew  into the Septuagint around 300BC and another by the Masorets from Old Hebrew into a newer Hebrew form in the 7th and 10th centuries.  The Masorets interpretation is what has been accepted in the Rabbinical (Pharisaic) religion and also the Protestant Bibles. So one translation, the Septuagint, was translated about 1000 years before the Masorets. I know all of you reading this have been taught to accept the Masoretic version only because your leaders are of the Protestant or Rabbinical belief system. But we must ask why would a tranlation 1000 year later be close to the truth. Only because a denomination or the group you are in say so? That is CHurchianity for you.

I personally give more wieght to the Septuagint were it differs in translating from the Original Hebrew, un tainted with Jewish religion.

Gen 1 :11 « the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, »

So here in the KJV the words come from the Masoretic translation and they left out the word for « likeness » however it was written according to the Septuagint

Gen 1 :11  LXX the Septuagint wrote « pasturage of grass sowing seed according to type (genos) and likeness (homoiota) and the fruitful tree producing fruit of which it’s seed is in it. »

There are two things a seed does. It reproduce the same Kind or Genus and the same Likeness as the parent tree, animal or man. Our knowledgeable scientists have found this truth unbreakable, because God determines it.

There even has been found Genotypes and Phenotypes, in Genetics.  The genes or seed produce the same Genus that can interbreed species but not outside of their Genus. And varieties do evolve in breeding but only withing the same Genus. The different Phenotypes or likenesses result. Yet today mad science is trying to break Gods rules even on the Genetic level to create Chimera. Monsters formed from different seeds or species. This will have no good result when man plays God.

The word « likeness » here in Gen 1 :11 was the adjective word « homoiotes » also used in Hebrews 4 :15 and 7 :15 meaning the likeness, resembling the other.

And the noun « homoioma » meaning the state of resembling another.  The noun likeness or resemblance is used.

There is a whole study waiting on the word likeness but for now I want to say there are two very close words that link our Spiritual life we received with the second seed. That carries the same Genus or birthrights and the same resemblence as our Father who is God.

We are being born of a new kind of seed and we have overcome death. Originally we were created to be in Gods image which is Spirit and in His likeness. That means we have the ability to be like God in the world. SO when the world sees us they see The Lord and God. When we live the Love of God our new nature is revealed and the world can see His likeness in His children. We are given the birth right with this new kind of Genus to be just like Dad in this fallen world.

1Jo 4:17

Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:Ancient_Greek_suffixes

The more we die daily to the flesh, the more the seed within is revealed.

Gal 2:20

I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

We have a new life in the inner man which is holy spirit living in a fleshly body. Yet the real life is the Eternal life! Not the dying one of flesh.

And one day we will shed this flesh and soul. But the holy spirit in us is a new creation. That will never die.

So as a seed of a plant, wheat or a bean, goes into the Ground it will die. But not really. The part of the seed that carries the real germ does, but never the embryo or germ.

The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

1Co 15:19

If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

We are miserable if and only if there really was no resurection from the Dead

But there is and our life depends on it!

Because we all will die and yes God does call death sleep.

1Co 15:18

Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

But if there was no resurrection from death then yes we are all dead. We are perished

The word perished « apollumi » means we are all ruined, taken apart, undone and no more.

But death is a sleep according to the Bible and it is only until Christ returns, then on that day some will be glad eto see Him and live again with Him forever! Others will not and decide to take the eternal sleep called death. They will lose and have nothing.

We have been taugth that we die and immediately go to paradise. Where did this Pagan teaching enter our scriptures. We have ideas of dying and seeing our Lord immediately. That I can agree on in the sense in a Coma or a state of unconsious sleep a minute or two thousand years is the same. The moment you go to sleep for you in our experience is the Day the Lord raises you on the Last Day of Judgement.’

Where did Christians get the idea that we will be at the Pearly Gates and Peter will let us in. Certrainly not from Gods Word. WHere did we get the idea some go directly to Hell and the devil (or God??) lets us roast in excruciatimg pain forever? Not in my Bible. Where did people think the dead are amongst us in limbo? Or that we go straight to heaven when we take our last breath?  My Bible says we are seated in the Heavens now so lets bring the Heaven into this earth by preaching the Truth. Not religious lies.

Sleep is a little death. And Death is the Big Sleep.

Mat 28:13

Saying, Say ye, His disciples came by night, and stole him away while we slept

Jhn 11:11

These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; G2837 but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.

Some physically died in Jesus time, but He raised them. Lazarus was dead yet God calls it sleep. WHy because those who die are going to wake up. EVery single one of us!. Lazarus and the others has received a gift of life but yet dies or went to sleep again. This ressurection was not forever but a temporary gift and a sign of the power Jesus had over death.

Act 7:60

And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep

When the martyr Stephen was stoned to death he was dead, yet God calls it sleep.

Stephen did not go straight to heaven but died and is in the earth waiting for the Glorious return of Jesus when we all shall see Him in the future.

1Co 15:6

After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep

This verse again refers to death, expiring and taking your last breath as sleep.

1Th 4:13

But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

1Th 4:14

For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep  in Jesus will God bring with him.

1Th 4:15

For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (go before) them which are asleep

But we do have a Hope!

Even if we die we ahall see the Lord and we already have accepted Eternal life. We already are seated in the Heavens but our bodies and souls still have a job to accomplish on earth. We are waiting for the new HEavens and earth and paradise.

This on verse had been manipulated by changing punctuation. There were never any commas in the Greek or Hebrew original texts.

Luk 23:43

And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

With our the commas Jesus was saying « I am telling you today » that even you a robber who believes in me will be in paradise when it is here on earth again.

It should be read « And He said to him « truly I say to you today you shall be with me in paradise »

In Paradise: “Paradise (paradeisos), a Persian word meaning ‘garden, park,’ was used in the Septuagint for the Garden of Eden (Genesis 2:8). It then became a type of the future bliss for God’s people in Isaiah 51:3…In the present passage it represents the state of bliss which Jesus promised to the criminal directly after death.”C Marvin Pate

I do not agree with that because without exception all wait until the trumpet call in the future and then we will be with Jesus> The dead will rise from their graves first and then those found alive will put on their eternal heavenly bodies.

1Th 4:16

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1Th 4:17

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

And then we shall never be separated in any way from the Lord and we will be with Him forever.

1Th 4:18

Wherefore comfort one another with these words

But since there is no thought, conscience or memory in death,  it is like a profound sleep. The word in Greek for sleep koimaō is where we English have derived « Coma » a very deep sleep. And that is the way I see death. It is temporary for all and some will prefer to go back to sleep. But not all, some would rather live in bliss and in PAradise!

Psalm 6 :5 KJV « For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks? »

Many Christians have been taught that we who believe the scriptures are a fringe group or heresy that beleives in the demeaning term « soul-sleep »  I beleive they who have been taught that the breath life soul of animals and men are conscious and alive without their bodies have been lied to. This teaching allow us to « pray for the dead » or « pray for baptism of the dead » and is dangerous since many have been convinced they can contact their loved ones in another world.

As Saul the King of Israel was deceived to his ruin. HE beleived that his friend Samuel could be contacted after death. SO he went to the wirtch of Endor and a familiar spirit convinced him to die in battle. Today there is a thriving business of clarivoyant mediums that will conjure their familiar spirits. Even Christians taught that there is a conscious spirit out their may try to speak with their departed husband and be misled, very misled.

We must follow only the holy spirit and the writing inspired by the holy spirit. There are many demons or unholy spirits writing doctrines of demons. It is up to us to study the scripture and rely on our own annointing when we hear any thing spiritual. Prove all things but the holy spirit will show you what to hold on too and what does nt fit.

Back to the verse that seem to stand out against so called « soul-sleep » which is what most of the rest of the Bible teaches. No life after death but waiting in the grave for the new heavens and earth.

All this confusion is cleared up by moving commas? Or does this verse become the thorn in the side of all the teaching against conscious souls?

And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

So the commas were no help since they are not in any originals. But what about the place of the adverb « today »? Does it modify the verb « to tell » or « to be » hmmm

« In Greek, there is no specific rule concerning the position of the adverb, whether before or after the verb.11 Thus, from the grammatical standpoint we find it impossible to determine if sēmeron in Luke 23:43 modifies the preceding verb (“to tell”) or the follow­ing one (“to be”). Luke, however, has a definite tendency of using this adverb with the preceding verb. »

https://www.ministrymagazine.org/archive/2013/06/the-significance-of-a-comma:-an-analysis-of-luke-23:43

« The attempt to read the adverb in Luke 23:43 in connection to the preceding verb, therefore, is not only fully acceptable in terms of gram­mar but is also in complete agreement with Luke’s literary style. »

Yet there we church fathers or so called fathers like Cassian that even in the 4th century condemned those of us that place the « today » with « to tell » as « I tell you today » As Heretics.  There was a lot of burning of heretics that were not heretics in our loving Church history… GO ask the « church father » Calvin. He burned Servetus to save us!!

In fact the idiom « it tell you today » is used in many places in the Scripture and is not proof that the promise happen on that particular day!

Deu 11:26

Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse;

Deu 11:27

A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day:

The consequences of disobeying did not all come on the same day the Lord taught them did they?

Deu 28:13

And the LORD shall make thee the head, and not the tail; and thou shalt be above only, and thou shalt not be beneath; if that thou hearken unto the commandments of the LORD thy God, which I command thee this day, to observe and to do them:

Deu 6:6

And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

Deu 7:11

Thou shalt therefore keep the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which I command thee this day, to do them.

Deu 8:19

And it shall be, if thou do at all forget the LORD thy God, and walk after other gods, and serve them, and worship them, I testify against you this day that ye shall surely perish.

I do not think that the perished literally on the day the Lord testified against them, do you/

So how do we base the life of a soul being in Paradise the same day Jesus solemnly promised « you shall be in Paradise »? 

I do see it a comfort to know that I and my loved ones are uncoscious and it is a blissful sleep to die knowing our hope. Knowing we all shall be risen on that Glorious day where Jesus will jusdge the Living and the dead. It is more of a comfort than imagining the spirits of my loved ones in some uncertain state in an unknown place or even maybe hauting my attic. That is no comfort. But realizing death is temporary and their is absolutely no though in death like the sleep in a coma or the time in anethesia.  No sensation is better, no consciousness while wating.

Because if it is like anesthesia, then whether it is an hour or a century it is all the same to the observer, who is us. So virtually we are going to see JEsus face to face welcoming us who love Him at the moment we close our eyes for the last time. We will virtually be in Paradise the moment we die, yet for the others we leave alive, we are rotting int the grave. God will still bring every molecule together at the last day of all the dead, and God can do that if He promised.

Mat 25 : 31-32  “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne.  Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. »

Only then will He invite His followers to inherit the kingdom prepared for them since the beginning of the world, his event will be a glorious moment of reunion in which the final and complete celebration of deliverance from sin will take place

Luk 22:14

And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him.

Luk 22:15

And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:

Luk 22:16

For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.

Luk 22:18

For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.

Paul teaches that the believers who die will come forth from their graves at Jesus’ second coming (1 Cor. 15:20–23), and then the gift of immortality will be bestowed on them (vv. 51–55). He never tries to comfort the living by saying that the deceased are already with Jesus in heaven.

IN fact now that we ARE in Christ  we are sealed and have been seated  IN HEAVEN!

Eph 1:3

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

Were already in heaven today in the middle of a dead world. Yet our Hope is AT HIS PERSONAL RETURN OR COMING ….Paradise and a NEW HEAVEN AND EARTH!

1 Corinthiens 15.20–23 (ESV)

20 But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.

He never tries to comfort the living by saying that the deceased are already with Jesus in heaven. On the contrary, he attempts to bring peace to their hearts by reminding them of The resurrection (1 Thess. 4:13– 18; cf. 2 Cor. 1:8–10; Phil. 3:8–11), and that only when Jesus comes again both the resurrected righteous and righteous living will be caught up together to meet Him in the air, and so they will be with Him forever (see 1 Thess. 4:17).

Now this verse in Luke fits in harmony if we just leave the commas out of the argument!

Besides, according to Paul, Jesus’ resurrection, not His death, gives the righteous any hope for life after death

1 Cor 15 :16-20 « For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. »

How, then, does one make sense of the idea that Jesus had promised the thief that they would be together in Paradise that same day, especially because the Bible also clearly teaches that the day He died, Christ went into the grave

To argue that only Christ’s body went into the grave while His spirit ascended to heaven20 is to ignore the fact that, early on the resurrection morning, He told Mary not to hold on to Him because He had not yet gone to the Father

Jhn 20:17

Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

So where did Jesus go. Some teach he preached to dead spirits. That is not in the Bible anywhere!! Some teach his spirit was with God because He commited his spirit to God. Yes God takes care of those who are asleep and so I can commit my spirit to GOd every night I do. Yes God does take care of those a sleep in the grave as well. God able.

The real heresy is to teach that when we die our bodies decay yet our « eternal soul » goes somewhere and is conscious.  That is not a comfort not know where you are going with lots of doubts.  Our Comfort is the Final Ressurection Day. This idea of an eternal soul is Pagan.  I am not talking a about the Holy spirit that God Gave to us. That is Eternal but the soul life we share in common with all animal is not. This idea of the Eternal soul is pagan in origin. And the idea that Holy spirit is Eternal is Scriptural.

CONCLUSION

« It does not seem appropriate, there­fore, to conclude that Jesus promised the penitent thief that they would be together in Paradise the day they died. If the comma is placed before the adverb “today,” it becomes virtually impos­sible to reconcile the passage with what the Bible—and Jesus Himself—teaches concerning the time when the faithful dead get their final reward in heaven (cf. Luke 14:13, 14; 20:34–38; John 5:28, 29; 6:39, 40, 53–58). There is not a single instance in which the Bible writers try to comfort the believers by saying that the dead in Christ have already been taken to heaven. Comfort in the face of death is always related to the resurrection, not to the idea that at death the spirit or the soul is liberated from the body to be in God’s presence (cf. John 11:21–27; Rev. 20:6).

What the thief asked Jesus was to be remembered in His kingdom (Luke 23:42), and this is exactly what Jesus promised him, thus the dying man received peace and comfort. This is the great promise of the gospel—to be with Jesus forever (John 14:1–3; 1 Thess. 4:16, 17; Rev. 21:1–4). »

I have quoted from

https://www.ministrymagazine.org/archive/2013/06/the-significance-of-a-comma:-an-analysis-of-luke-23:43

next if the history of the pagan eternal soul. The real origin of this belief system that now is mainstream Churchianity.

This belief of the soul surviving and being immortal without a body came f.rom the Egyptian religion and Babylonian religion. Then it was packed in Greek Philosophy and Platonism. Yet this did not make it Biblical or correct. It was absorbed by the so called church Fathers and accepted by the Roman Empire Church. This was never ever taught in Gods Word. Just need to read the scripture and stop following traditions of men.
These mainstream Christians denigrate us who believe in the waiting for the Blessed Return of of Savior as believing in “soul sleep” And I think sleep is such a blessing when you know who you will wake up to see.
But the Catholics will have a hard time having intercession for the dead if they are really dead.
Séances will be out of business because the familiar spirits will be exposed
No more powerful prayers for the departed souls!
We are in heaven ans supposed by our Lord to bring Heaven to earth. We are not going to be playing harps and eating chocolate on the cummulus clouds. Now will not even need to knock knock on heavens pearly doorss! All myth. We will be eating the roots under the clods in our graves. But what a peaceful sleep to be waiting for our heavenly bodies and ever be with our Lord
We may not have immortal souls but we have the Eternal Spirit by the Faith of the Son of God

I am a student and I am engaged

But critical thinking is common to the core

Buzzwords tire my mind like a whore

Guided reading makes me enraged

Globalism is only an exit strategy

Spiraling down to the abyss

For empowerment by diversity

And other garbage you learned at the university

Oh the new paradigm!

The New world order’s big reset

Set on her throne of splendor called the new normal

A sea of Change and now a paradigm shift

Under a once in a century alignment

Of Jupiter who covered Saturn evil star

We are the millennial warfighters

Waging a spirit war in the heaven

Space force warriors in their stations

Buy the enabling serum!

DRILL DOWN! Your not entitled

But drink the blood anyways

No more story telling or hurding of cats

In a sustainable playpen

Be on the bleeding edge of the block chain

UN Agenda from hell eutopia

Sustaining some equally

But sustaining some a lot more

They tell you to be happy with nada

And smile on the floor as the boot presses down

So Church webinars and AI bots

Cannot solve the sustaining problem

Who holds every thing up?

Who supports the earth

And not just the earth

The Universe and all creation is Gods

He is our sustainability

perfect Eternity needs no one to sustain

He is our sun and light

He sustains the whole deep webbed world in His hands.

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Semer, récolter et la règle d’or

Posté le 13 août 2015 par Paul Ellis // 53 commentaires

karma v grâceDepuis la nuit des temps, il y a deux visions du monde, deux arbres, et deux façons de vivre. L’une est le karma (vous récoltez ce que vous avez semé), et l’autre est la grâce (vous récoltez ce que quelqu’un d’autre a semé).

Ce monde fonctionne sur le karma : faites le bien, obtenez le bien. Si vous faites du mal, vous aurez du mal. Mais le royaume de Dieu fonctionne par la grâce : Dieu est bon pour vous. Point final !

L’ancienne alliance de la loi fonctionnait sur le karma : obéis et tu seras béni. Désobéissez et vous serez maudit. Mais la nouvelle alliance fonctionne par la grâce : Vous êtes béni parce que le Christ a obéi.

Karma et grâce

Le karma concerne la rétribution et le retour sur investissement, mais la grâce concerne le pardon et la faveur. L’un traite de la vengeance, l’autre de la paix.

L’un des plus grands poètes de notre époque distingue ainsi le karma et la grâce :

Au centre de toutes les religions se trouve l’idée du karma. Vous savez, ce que vous faites vous revient : œil pour œil, dent pour dent, ou encore, en physique, dans les lois physiques, à chaque action répond une action égale ou opposée. Il est clair pour moi que le karma est au cœur même de l’univers. J’en suis absolument certain. Pourtant, l’idée de la grâce vient bouleverser le principe du “ce que tu récoltes, tu le sèmes”. La grâce défie la raison et la logique. L’amour interrompt, si vous voulez, les conséquences de vos actions, ce qui, dans mon cas, est une très bonne nouvelle, car j’ai fait beaucoup de choses stupides. ~ Bono

Tout au long de la Bible, vous trouverez des personnes qui ont fait confiance au karma ou à la grâce. Job croyait au karma (il faisait des sacrifices pour expier le comportement de ses enfants), mais David croyait à la grâce (“Aie pitié de moi, ô Dieu, selon ta bonté”).

Jésus n’est pas venu pour nous rappeler le karma, mais pour nous révéler l’étonnante bonne nouvelle de la grâce. Sa grâce a changé le monde. Elle a certainement changé l’apôtre Paul. L’apôtre de la grâce a consacré sa vie à proclamer l’évangile de la grâce de Dieu. Tout ce qu’il disait était de la grâce.

Ou bien l’était-il ?

Ne vous y trompez pas : On ne peut pas se moquer de Dieu. L’homme récolte ce qu’il a semé. (Gal 6:7)

Ce n’est pas de la grâce – c’est semer et récolter – et c’est un contraste frappant avec le message d’hyper-grâce que Paul prêchait. Alors pourquoi Paul dit-il cela ? Veut-il que nous mélangions la grâce et le karma ? Sommes-nous censés faire confiance à Dieu pour certaines de ses bénédictions, mais à nous-mêmes pour le reste ? Aucune chance !

Semer à l’Esprit

Paul le dit parce que tout le monde ne parle pas le langage de la grâce. Cependant, tout le monde comprend ce qu’est semer et récolter. C’est un langage universel. “Si c’est là votre langage, dit Paul, veillez à bien semer, de peur de récolter une mauvaise récolte.”

Celui qui sème pour plaire à sa chair, de la chair il récoltera la destruction. (Gal 6:8a)

Semer pour la chair n’est pas un choix intelligent. C’est suivre Adam sur le chemin solitaire de la méfiance et de la mort. Chaque fois que nous nous appuyons sur notre propre chair – nos capacités et notre compréhension on s’expose à un désastre. C’est une façon destructive de vivre. Heureusement, il existe un meilleur moyen :

Celui qui sème pour plaire à l’Esprit, récoltera de l’Esprit la vie éternelle. (Gal 6:8b)

Comment semer pour plaire à l’Esprit ? Lisez les Galates. Marcher au rythme de l’Esprit, c’est lui faire confiance. C’est vivre par la foi dans le Fils de Dieu (Ga 2:20). C’est se rapporter à Dieu comme à un Père (Ga 4:6).

Semer

La règle d’or

Semer et récolter est une réalité de la vie (demandez à n’importe quel agriculteur). Vous pouvez utiliser ce principe pour encourager le don, comme Paul le fait parfois (par exemple : 2 Cor 9:6). Vous pouvez également l’utiliser pour promouvoir un bon comportement, comme Jésus l’a fait lorsqu’il a énoncé la règle d’or (“Faites aux autres ce que vous voudriez qu’ils vous fassent”, Luc 6:31). Mais ce que vous ne pouvez pas faire, c’est l’utiliser pour acheter les dons gratuits de Dieu.

Semer et récolter n’est pas mauvais, et le ciel me préserve de le suggérer, mais il y a une meilleure façon de vivre. Au lieu d’être bon pour être bon, vivez dans la bonté de Dieu. Au lieu d’attendre, d’attendre, d’attendre que vos petites graines poussent, vivez maintenant dans la récolte abondante de la grâce de Dieu.

Comment cela fonctionne-t-il ?

Prenez la règle d’or comme exemple. Ceux qui passent à côté de la grâce de Jésus utilisent cette règle comme un guide pour une vie de bon karma. Ils invitent des gens dans l’espoir d’être réinvités. Ils aident les autres dans l’espoir d’être aidés en retour. Ce n’est pas une mauvaise façon de vivre, mais cela ne reflète pas le cœur de celui qui a dit ceci :

Aimez vos ennemis, faites-leur du bien, et prêtez-leur sans vous attendre à recevoir quelque chose en retour. (Luc 6:35a)

Il n’y a rien de spécial à faire du bien à ceux qui sont bons envers vous (Luc 6:33). C’est ordinaire. Ce qui est extraordinaire, c’est de faire aux autres ce que Dieu a fait pour vous. C’est bénir ceux qui vous maudissent, aimer vos ennemis, et pardonner comme le Christ vous a pardonné.

Alors votre récompense sera grande, et vous serez les enfants du Très-Haut, car il est bon pour les ingrats et les méchants (Luc 6:35b).

Vous voyez la différence ?

Vivre selon le karma, c’est faire confiance à l’homme. C’est dire : “Je serai bon car on récolte ce que l’on sème. Je fais confiance à l’humanité.” Vous allez être déçu !

Mais vivre par la grâce, c’est faire confiance à Dieu. C’est dire : “Mon Père a été si bon avec moi, comment pourrais-je ne pas partager sa bonté avec les autres ?”. Vivez de cette façon et vous ne serez jamais déçu, car la bonté de Dieu dépasse toujours nos attentes.

Et c’est la règle la plus dorée de toutes !

Une âme immortelle, ça n’existe pas. Mais il y a un Esprit Éternel.

L’histoire de l’enseignement de l’âme immortelle

Malgré l’utilisation répandue de l’expression “âme immortelle”, cette terminologie ne se trouve nulle part dans la Bible. D’où vient l’idée d’une âme immortelle ?

Platon (428-348 av. J.-C.), philosophe grec et élève de Socrate.Wikimedia Commons

Platon, le philosophe grec, enseignait que le corps et l’âme immortelle se séparent à la mort.

Le concept de l’immortalité supposée de l’âme a été enseigné pour la première fois dans l’Égypte ancienne et à Babylone. “La croyance que l’âme continue d’exister après la dissolution du corps est… une spéculation… et n’est nulle part expressément enseignée dans les Saintes Écritures… La croyance en l’immortalité de l’âme est venue aux Juifs au contact de la pensée grecque et principalement à travers la philosophie de Platon, son principal représentant, qui y a été conduit par les mystères orphiques et éleusiniens dans lesquels les vues babyloniennes et égyptiennes étaient étrangement mélangées” (Encyclopédie juive, 1941, Vol. 6, “Immortalité de l’âme”, pp. 564, 566).

L’histoire séculaire révèle que le concept de l’immortalité de l’âme est une ancienne croyance embrassée par de nombreuses religions païennes. Mais ce n’est pas un enseignement biblique et on ne le trouve ni dans l’Ancien ni dans le Nouveau Testament.

Platon (428-348 av. J.-C.), philosophe grec et élève de Socrate, enseignait que le corps et “l’âme immortelle” se séparent à la mort. L’International Standard Bible Encyclopedia commente la vision qu’avait l’ancien Israël de l’âme : “Nous sommes toujours plus ou moins influencés par l’idée grecque, platonicienne, que le corps meurt, mais que l’âme est immortelle. Une telle idée est tout à fait contraire à la conscience israélite et ne se trouve nulle part dans l’Ancien Testament” (1960, Vol. 2, “Death”, p. 812).

Le christianisme primitif a été influencé et corrompu par les philosophies grecques à mesure qu’il se répandait dans le monde grec et romain. Vers l’an 200, la doctrine de l’immortalité de l’âme est devenue un sujet de controverse parmi les croyants chrétiens.

Le Evangelical Dictionary of Theology note qu’Origène, un théologien catholique précoce et influent, a été influencé par les penseurs grecs : “Les spéculations sur l’âme dans l’église subapostolique étaient fortement influencées par la philosophie grecque. On le voit dans l’acceptation par Origène de la doctrine de Platon sur la préexistence de l’âme en tant qu’esprit pur (nous) à l’origine, qui, en raison de sa chute de Dieu, s’est refroidie en âme (psyché) lorsqu’elle a perdu sa participation au feu divin en regardant vers la terre ” (1992, ” Soul “, p. 1037).

Les auteurs mortalistes, tels que Thomas Hobbes dans le Léviathan, ont souvent soutenu que la doctrine de l’immortalité naturelle (ou innée) ne provient pas de la pensée hébraïque telle qu’elle est présentée dans la Bible, mais plutôt de l’influence païenne, en particulier de la philosophie grecque et des enseignements de Platon, ou de la tradition chrétienne. [50] L’évêque de Durham N.T. Wright a noté que 1 Timothée 6:15-16 enseigne que “Dieu… seul est immortel”, tandis que dans 2 Timothée 1:10 il est dit que l’immortalité ne vient aux êtres humains que comme un don par l’intermédiaire de l’évangile. L’immortalité doit être recherchée (Romains 2:7) et n’est donc pas inhérente à l’humanité.

Ces groupes peuvent prétendre que la doctrine du sommeil de l’âme réconcilie deux traditions apparemment contradictoires dans la Bible : l’ancien concept hébreu selon lequel l’être humain est mortel et n’a pas d’existence significative après la mort (voir שאול, Sheol et le Livre de l’Ecclésiaste), et la croyance juive et chrétienne ultérieure en la résurrection des morts et l’immortalité personnelle après le Jour du Jugement.

Cette croyance de l’âme survivant et étant immortelle sans corps est venue de la religion égyptienne et de la religion babylonienne. Puis elle a été emballée dans la philosophie grecque et le platonisme. Mais cela ne la rendait pas biblique ou correcte. Elle a été absorbée par les soi-disant Pères de l’Église et acceptée par l’Église de l’Empire romain. Cela n’a jamais été enseigné dans la Parole de Dieu. Il suffit de lire l’Écriture et d’arrêter de suivre les traditions des hommes.

Ces chrétiens traditionnels dénigrent ceux qui croient en l’attente du retour béni du Sauveur en disant qu’ils croient au “sommeil de l’âme”. Et je pense que le sommeil est une telle bénédiction quand on sait qui on va voir au réveil.

Mais les catholiques auront du mal à intercéder pour les morts s’ils sont vraiment morts.

Les séances de spiritisme n’auront plus lieu d’être car les esprits familiers seront exposés.

Nous n’avons peut-être pas d’âmes immortelles mais nous avons l’Esprit Eternel par la Foi du Fils de Dieu.

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L’histoire séculaire révèle que le concept de l’immortalité de l’âme est une ancienne croyance adoptée par de nombreuses religions païennes. Mais ce n’est pas un enseignement biblique et on ne le trouve ni dans l’Ancien ni dans le Nouveau Testament.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_mortalism

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Immortal soul is not Eternal Spirit!

.No such thing an inmmortal soul. But there is Eternal Spirit.

The History of the Immortal-Soul Teaching

Despite widespread use of the phrase immortal soul, this terminology is found nowhere in the Bible. Where did the idea of an immortal soul originate?

Plato (428-348 B.C.), the Greek philosopher and student of Socrates.Wikimedia Commons

Plato, the Greek philosopher, taught that the body and the immortal soul separate at death.

The concept of the soul’s supposed immortality was first taught in ancient Egypt and Babylon. “The belief that the soul continues in existence after the dissolution of the body is…speculation…nowhere expressly taught in Holy Scripture…The belief in the immortality of the soul came to the Jews from contact with Greek thought and chiefly through the philosophy of Plato, its principal exponent, who was led to it through Orphic and Eleusinian mysteries in which Babylonian and Egyptian views were strangely blended” (Jewish Encyclopedia, 1941, Vol. 6, “Immortality of the Soul,” pp. 564, 566).

Secular history reveals that the concept of the immortality of the soul is an ancient belief embraced by many pagan religions. But it’s not a biblical teaching and is not found in either the Old or New Testaments.

Plato (428-348 B.C.), the Greek philosopher and student of Socrates, taught that the body and the “immortal soul” separate at death. The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia comments on ancient Israel’s view of the soul: “We are influenced always more or less by the Greek, Platonic idea that the body dies, yet the soul is immortal. Such an idea is utterly contrary to the Israelite consciousness and is nowhere found in the Old Testament” (1960, Vol. 2, “Death,” p. 812).

Early Christianity was influenced and corrupted by Greek philosophies as it spread through the Greek and Roman world. By A.D. 200 the doctrine of the immortality of the soul became a controversy among Christian believers.

The Evangelical Dictionary of Theology notes that Origen, an early and influential Catholic theologian, was influenced by Greek thinkers: “Speculation about the soul in the subapostolic church was heavily influenced by Greek philosophy. This is seen in Origen’s acceptance of Plato’s doctrine of the preexistence of the soul as pure mind (nous) originally, which, by reason of its fall from God, cooled down to soul (psyche) when it lost its participation in the divine fire by looking earthward” (1992, “Soul,” p. 1037).

Secular history reveals that the concept of the immortality of the soul is an ancient belief embraced by many pagan religions. But it’s not a biblical teaching and is not found in either the Old or New Testaments.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_mortalism

Mortalists writers, such as Thomas Hobbes in Leviathan, have often argued that the doctrine of natural (or innate) immortality stems not from Hebrew thought as presented in the Bible, but rather from pagan influence, particularly Greek philosophy and the teachings of Plato, or Christian tradition.[50] Bishop of Durham N.T. Wright noted that 1 Timothy 6:15–16 teaches “God… alone is immortal,” while in 2 Timothy 1:10 it says that immortality only comes to human beings as a gift through the gospel. Immortality is something to be sought after (Romans 2:7) therefore it is not inherent to all humanity

These groups may claim that the doctrine of soul sleep reconciles two seemingly conflicting traditions in the Bible: the ancient Hebrew concept that the human being is mortal with no meaningful existence after death (see שאול, Sheol and the Book of Ecclesiastes), and the later Jewish and Christian belief in the resurrection of the dead and personal immortality after Judgment Day.

This belief of the soul surviving and being immortal without a body came from the Egyptian religion and Babylonian religion. Then it was packed in Greek Philosophy and Platonism. Yet this did not make it Biblical or correct. It was absorbed by the so called church Fathers and accepted by the Roman Empire Church. This was never ever taught in Gods Word. Just need to read the scripture and stop following traditions of men.

These mainstream Christians denigrate us who believe the the waiting for the Blessed Return of of Savior as believing in “soul sleep” And I think sleep is such a blessing when uou know who you will wake up to see

But the Catholics will have a hard time having intercession for the dead if the are really dead.

Séances will be out of business because the familiar spirits will be exposed

1Co 15:10

But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

I am not a self made man but He made me! From birth to now I am totally His project. I did not find God, He found me. I have not changed myself, He made me what I am today. Thank you God!

I amsk what I am and thats all  I’s AM ack ack ack!

When I realize this truth, it is an awesome revelation to me. Because we are all only what we are today by the Grace of God! When we see it, it makes you what to work more with God’s grace! Not our own projects without His Grace.

1Co 15:11

Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.

Because we have this Grace we allow it to work for us and in us to change. To Change first ourself and then the world around us! Every where we go and every thing we touch.

Our commision is to preach the Gospel.

Mar 16:15

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature

And the Good new is Jesus overcame death the final victory!

1Co 15:12

Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?

If He rose we arose with Him. And if we did we have a job to do on earth. There are others that will die and we are going to hoard our treasure?  Not when we see what we have been given. We have received freely so now we can live and give freely. Death has no more hold.

If there is no resurrection no one is raised from death. This is a lie

Because Jesus is risen there is a resurrection from death

1Co 15:13

But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:

Who ever denied the resurrection from death where not speaking the truth and needed correction.

1Co 15:14

And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.

If Chirst was not risen from the dead, then He was just a historical figure. He was just another prophet like the Muslims beleive. And if they honor Him as a prophet how do they explain that the call Him a liar?

John 11 :25 NIV « Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; »

Religions are based on men who are still in the Grave. But Christianity is reality based on a Living Savior who is always with us. He has Risen as He said. He is always with us. Buddha, Confucius, Mo, Einstein, Marx and President Washington may all have had great ideas, but they are dead and cannot help us.

We must be convinced that Christ has been risen. The only way I know I can prove that He is risen is to experience the Life He has given. That is the gift of the Holy spirit.

I know many are saved by their belief in what they cannot see and that is good.  That is how we were saved in the first place. But God’s grace still is saving us every day as we walk close to His Spirit and demonstrate its supernatural power

For those who refuse to see it, the will never have proof. But for those who have faith in Christ and in His resurrection they will speak in tongues and see other manifestation of the Living Christ within their lives. He is alive and because He is we can pray in the spirit to build our faith even more.

In spite of the lies that the world launches daily, we have a weapon to stop all the doubts in their tracks

We can lift the shield of faith to quench all doubts that their is no life after death simply by speaking in tongues. We are not saved by any works and we do not need to speak in tongues in order to believe. But praying in the spirit does build our faith

Jde 1:20 KJV

But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,

Jde 1:21 KJV

keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.

The King James Version has added a word to the Word of Goda gain. Here I see in the Greek interlinear that there was no « and » or « kai » in the verse 20, and the idea they conveyed by making the pneuma hagion or simply « holy spirit » into the Holy Ghost is more than poetic license. It is very misleading as a translation!

The NAS rendition is much closer to the orginal

Jde 1:20

But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit,

Jde 1:21

keep yourselves in the love of God, looking forward to the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to eternal life.

We are not building up our faith and praying, it is by praying. It is not praying to bring some Ghost into our presence as some teach. The holy spirit is our inner man and we pray by it when we are praying in the holy spirit. No man can really declare JEsus is Lord unless by the spirit

1Co 12:3KJV

Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

1Co 12:3NAS

Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking [fn]by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus is [fn]accursed”; and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except [fn]by the Holy Spirit.

Co 12:3 NIV

Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

And then Paul continues to show how the gift of the holy spirit is demonstrated into the real material world in signs of power. He lists nine ways and one is speaking in a language that is only  given by way of the holy spirit. We use this to praise God well and also to pray beyond our limited mind direcly to the Father. Also it is a proof to those that do it that there really is a Father and a proof that Jesus is at His right hand listening!

We can take all that on faith yes! But we can grow in our faith if we could just taste it more. And praying in the spirit is the way to win. It is how we lift our sheild of faith and put on all the armor we need in the daily battles of life.

Eph 6:18 NAS

[fn]With every prayer and request, [fn]pray at all times in the Spirit, and with this in view, [fn]be alert with all perseverance and every request for all the [fn]saints,.

We may put some of the armor on with prayer, but we must put on the whole armor with and by spiritual prayer! We need all the armor of God if we would keep our faith and resist in this evil day we are in. We must pray in our understanding yes but also with our spirit. That would be praying and praising God in other tongues.

We have a witness within.  We have been brought to the Lord Jesus by the witness of men

1Jo 5:9

If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

What witness could this be but the gift we have within us? That is the holy spirit. This holy spirit will never quesiton the resurrection of the dead. Men can. But the holy spirit within witness and assures us that HE IS RISEN because He is giving us the words that we could not create in our mind without Him. That is supernatural because it is spiritual. He is living in us speaking to His Father in heaven. WHat more proof do we need than that?

1Jo 5:10

He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

This witness if the power that Jesus gave on Pentecost. This is the proof. Gods power is supernatural because He is above nature. This proof or witness is undeniable.

I am not saying that the only way God can prove Himself is speaking in tongues. We can also prophecy and we can be brought to Christ by preaching. But that is supernatural when the words are inspired by the same gift, as Peter did in Acts.

We also can see signs and miracles following those preaching Christ with their own language. All this is true. But why have our teachers left out the gifts of healing and miracles. All are how God proves Himself.

We need this power to proove that Jesus is not another dead hero. HE IS ALIVE in 2023!

Act 1:8

But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Why have certain men taught that this power left when the Bible was printed? Why do some teach Grace but do not let us enjoy it? Why have some convinced us that these powers of the holy spirit were only for the first apostles?  Only to lower our shield of faith??

1Co 14:12

Así también vosotros, por cuanto sois celosos de los dones espirituales, procurad sobresalir para la edificación de la iglesia.

Desde el principio de esta seccion Pablo estaba explicando el tema de asuntos espirituales, no dones espirituales, La razon por la que tu Biblia King James tiene la palabra don en cursiva es porque nunca estuvo ahi en primer lugar. La palabra griega era pneumatikos que significa cosas o asuntos espirituales, y “dones” fue añadida para ayudar a la traducción. Creo que nos confundió.

Ha habido confusión causada por la traducción KJV de las Sagradas Escrituras. Usted podria decir pero yo pense que la Biblia KJV era LA palabra de Dios. No, yo digo que es una traducción. Usted puede decir que la traducción Reina Valera en español o el Louis Segund está en francés. Vuelvo a decir que no. Son traducciones de la Palabra de Dios. Y la palabra de Dios era y sigue siendo Jesucristo.

Ha habido malas traducciones y luego está la Verdad. Hemos tenido religiones, pero a pesar de ellas hemos conocido a Jesús.
Jesús siempre es la píldora roja. La azul es la religión. ¿Cuál quieres?

Se nos ha dado Su espíritu a través de creer el Evangelio escrito. Pero hemos recibido a Cristo no la Biblia en nuestros corazones cuando creímos en el Hijo de Dios Jesús. Dios dio a su Hijo al mundo. Ese es el Regalo que Dios dio al mundo. Hemos creído y recibido Su Espíritu. Cuando creímos fue en ese momento que nacimos de lo alto y comenzamos a ser salvos por el Regalo de Cristo. En ese momento recibimos la plenitud de Cristo pero es nuestra fe la que determina como la usaremos.

Juan 3:16

Porque de tal manera amó Dios al mundo, que ha dado a su Hijo unigénito, para que todo aquel que en él cree, no se pierda, mas tenga vida eterna.

El verbo “dar” implica un “regalo”.

Ef 4:7

Mas a cada uno de nosotros es dada gracia conforme a la medida del don (Dorea) de Cristo.

Este fue el regalo de gracia fue dado de acuerdo a la medida de Cristo. Él está por encima de todas las cosas, ¿cuánto más grande es eso? Sólo Dios Padre. ¡Él no tiene medida!

Rom 12:3

Digo, pues, por la gracia que me es dada, a todo hombre que está entre vosotros, que no tenga más alto concepto de sí que el que debe tener, sino que piense con cordura, conforme a la medida de la fe que Dios repartió a cada uno.

Este es el don de fe que cada persona recibe. Cada parte del Cuerpo de Cristo tiene una parte que hacer. Tenemos el potencial infinito de Cristo en nosotros, pero todos tenemos diferentes medidas de fe dadas y en diferentes periodos mientras crecemos en Cristo.

Aquí la palabra “don” no es la misma que en 1 Corintios, es “dorea”.

El primer lugar donde la palabra “don” realmente fue escrita en esta sección sobre los llamados “dones” pero realmente sobre el tema de las cosas espirituales, fue aquí

1Co 12:4

Ahora hay diversidad de dones (Carisma), pero el mismo Espíritu.

Y en Efesios 4:7 El Don de Cristo es la palabra Dorea.

Quiero ver la diferencia porque Pablo estaba hablando de dos tipos de Dones

Cuando ves la palabra dones en la KJV que no esta en cursiva, puede ser “Carisma” o “Dorea”

¿Entonces cual es la diferencia?

Según el Diccionario Vine, un “don” de carisma es “‘un don de gracia, un don que implica gracia’ (charisG5485) por parte de Dios como donante”. A Dorea denota “un don gratuito”, subrayando su carácter gratuito;

La palabra Carisma procede de la palabra Charis o Gracia. La palabra Dorea tiene su origen en la palabra Didomi o Dar. Así que Charima enfatiza los Dones de Gracia y Dorea los Dones de Dar. Pero en 1 Corintios los dones no son dones sino la demostración del don de Cristo.

La idea de Charima es que no hicimos nada y no merecíamos a Cristo. De hecho merecíamos la muerte. La idea de Dorea es que no nos costó nada. Tanto si trabajamos para ello como si no, fue Gratis. Cristo nos fue dado gratuitamente cuando menos lo merecíamos.

En 1 Corintios 12 nos dice que nadie puede declarar al Señor sino por el espíritu santo

Esto continua el tema no sobre dones, porque se asumia que tenian el Don, pero esta carta era sobre asuntos espirituales. El tema era el espiritu santo o Cristo que habia sido dado a los creyentes de Corinto (y a todos).

Este es el don de Dios a través de Cristo y que ahora vive en cada creyente que pide

No había Mayúsculas en las Biblias en Inglés nunca estaba en los originales y esto causó mucha más confusión

La palabra “pneuma hagion” debe entenderse por el Contexto no mayúsculas

Pneuma hagion se traduce al español en la Biblia King James como espíritu santo, Espíritu Santo y Espíritu Santo.

Pero es Dios, el Padre de TODAS las cosas, el Creador quien es (y pondré mayúsculas por respeto) Espíritu Santo. Quien dio su naturaleza pneuma hagion o espíritu santo a Cristo sin medida. Luego puso d Dios (espíritu santo) en Cristo (espíritu santo) en nosotros (nuestro don de espíritu santo o DIOS EN CRISTO EN NOSOTROS)

Juan 3:34

Porque el que Dios envió, las palabras de Dios habla; porque no le da Dios el Espíritu con medida.

Por supuesto esto estaba hablando del Hijo de Dios Jesucristo en el contexto.

1Co 12:4

Ahora bien, hay diversidad de dones, (Charimata pl) pero un mismo Espíritu

1Co 12:9

A otro la fe por el mismo Espíritu; a otro los dones (charismata) de sanidad por el mismo Espíritu;

1Co 12:30

¿Tienen todos dones (charismata) de sanidad? ¿Hablan todos lenguas? ¿Interpretan todos?

1Co 12:31

Pero codiciad ardientemente los mejores dones: (charismata) y aun os muestro un camino más excelente.

1Pe 4:10

Cada uno según el don que ha recibido (charismata), así también minístrelo a los otros, como buenos administradores de la multiforme gracia de Dios.

Quiero corregir la idea de que los dones son sólo para ciertas personas y no están disponibles para el resto. Como vimos en Romanos 12 es de acuerdo a tu creencia o fe.

Asi que en los Capitulos 12, 13 y 14 puedes borrar la palabra “dones” Nunca fueron palabras de Dios.

1Co 12:1

En cuanto a los dones espirituales, hermanos, no quiero que los ignoréis………

(En cuanto a las cosas espirituales, hermanos, ¡no quiero que seáis ignorantes!

1Co 14:1

Seguid el amor y desead las cosas espirituales, sino más bien que profeticéis.

Seguid el amor y desead las cosas espirituales, sino más bien que profeticéis

1Co 14:12

Así también vosotros, ya que sois celosos de los dones espirituales, procurad sobresalir para edificación de la iglesia.

Así también vosotros, puesto que sois celosos de las cosas espirituales, procurad sobresalir en la edificación de la iglesia.

Ef 4:7

Mas a cada uno de nosotros es dada gracia conforme a la medida del don (dorea) de Cristo.

” La norma de acción que cada cristiano debe proponerse a sí mismo debe ser proporcional a la cantidad de fe que Dios le ha dado. El que tiene la fe más fuerte puede asumir la norma más alta, y ofrecerse para los cargos más altos, y así sucesivamente en la escala. Es, sin embargo, esencial que la estimación que cada uno haga de la fuerza de su propia fe, sea completamente unánime y sincera, y no esté sesgada por el amor propio. El Apóstol supone que así será. ” Ellicot

Rom 12,3

Digo, pues, por la gracia que me ha sido dada, a todo hombre que está entre vosotros, que no tenga más alto concepto de sí que el que debe tener, sino que piense sobriamente, conforme a la medida de la fe que Dios repartió a cada uno.

Y aun “nuestra” fe o creer es un regalo de Dios. Aunque debemos creer si Dios no creó nuestro cerebro, entonces ¿cómo podríamos creer para hacer algo?

Efesios 2:8

Porque por gracia sois salvos por medio de la fe; y esto no de vosotros, pues es don de Dios,

Rom 12:6

Teniendo, pues, dones (charimata) diferentes según la gracia que nos es dada, si el de profecía, profeticemos según la proporción de la fe;

Pero a medida que aprendemos a creer podemos hacer y servir más y más en asuntos espirituales.

Hay muchas clases de dones de Gracia en la vida. Dones de sanidad, Dones de ministerios, Dones aun de cuerpos fisicos. Pero hay uno que esta por encima de todos los dones y ese es el Don de Cristo.

Y El es derramado por Gracia sobre aquellos que han trabajado toda su vida en contra de El. ¡Eso es un regalo de gracia a pesar de lo que hiciste!

Hay muchas clases de regalos que son gratis pero solo hay un Regalo Gratis de Cristo. ¡Eso es un regalo gratis a pesar de lo que no hiciste!

El es la mejor de las dos palabras para regalo Dorea y Carisma. El es un Regalo gratuito e inmerecido.

Rom 5:15 NAS

Pero el don de gracia (Carisma) no es como la ofensa. Porque si por la ofensa de uno murieron los muchos, mucho más la gracia de Dios y el don por la gracia de un Hombre, Jesucristo, desbordó a los muchos.

Jesucristo es nuestro Regalo de Gracia (Carisma) porque no merecíamos nada mas que la muerte.

Rom 6:23 NAS

Porque la paga del pecado es muerte, pero el don de gracia (Carisma) de Dios es vida eterna en Cristo Jesús Señor nuestro.

¡El regalo (Carisma) de Cristo es el Regalo de la Vida Eterna!

Rom 11:29NAS

porque los (Charismata pl) dones y el llamado de Dios son irrevocables.

¡Una vez que usted tiene a Cristo usted nunca puede perder! Eso es lo que significa Eterno ¿verdad?

Pero volviendo al tema de los llamados dones. Hay una lista de nueve maneras en que el don de Cristo puede ser demostrado o manifestado y están disponibles para todos los que creen.

1Co 12:7

Pero la manifestación del Espíritu se da a cada uno para provecho de todos:

1Co 12:4 RVR1995

Ahora bien, hay diversidad de dones (Charismata pl), pero un mismo Espíritu

Hay muchos dones de gracia distribuidos a toda la humanidad. Todo proviene del Padre Amoroso, Creador de TODO lo que tenemos. Dios es llamado El Espíritu porque El es espíritu. Se nos ha dado al Señor Cristo que es el más grande de todos los dones, pero Dios da todos los dones buenos y cada cosa buena que alguien ha recibido es un don de Gracia.

1Co 12:5 RVR1995

Y hay diferencias de administraciones, pero el mismo Señor.

Una vez que uno tiene el mayor Don de Cristo hay muchas maneras diferentes en que puede servir al mundo. Una vez que estamos en Cristo y El en nosotros podemos servir de acuerdo a la cantidad de fe que tengamos en El viviendo en nosotros como el espíritu santo.

1Co 12:6 RVR1995

Hay variedades de efectos, pero el mismo Dios que obra todas las cosas en todas las personas.

Una vez que tenemos el Don de Cristo, ahora estamos en Cristo. Somos Su Cuerpo en esta tierra. Ahora tenemos a Dios el Creador obrando en el Señor Cristo, obrando a través de Cristo en nosotros toda clase de manifestaciones o servicios espirituales en cada miembro del Cuerpo como el miembro crea que puede hacerlo.

Esta es la “trinidad” en la que creo. Dios en Cristo en NOSOTROS. ¡Tres trabajando juntos como uno pero sin embargo distintivamente diferentes! Es el mismo espíritu santo de Dios a Cristo al espíritu santo que es nuestro hombre interior. Un Dios y padre por encima de todo. No politeísmo

Ef 4:6

un solo Dios y Padre de todos, que está sobre todos y por todos y en todos.

Ef 4:7 LBLA

Pero a cada uno de nosotros fue dada la gracia conforme a la medida del don gratuito de Cristo (Dorea).

“A cada uno de nosotros nos fue dada la gracia (la única “gracia del Señor Jesucristo”), es decir, nos fue dada en el propósito divino de la regeneración de todo el cuerpo, aunque tiene que ser recibida y hecha nuestra, separadamente en cada alma, y gradualmente en el curso de la vida. Fue y es dado “según la medida del don de Cristo”. (Véase más adelante, Efesios 4:13-16.) En Él habita “sin medida” (véase Juan 3:34); Él la da a cada uno según la medida de su capacidad para recibirla en la fe (llamada en Romanos 12:3 la “medida de la fe”)” Comentario de Ellicott

2Cor 9:15

¡Gracias a Dios por Su don indescriptible (don gratuito Dorea)!

Act 2:38

Entonces Pedro les dijo: Arrepentíos, y bautícese cada uno de vosotros en el nombre de Jesucristo para perdón de los pecados; y recibiréis el don (don gratuito Dorea)! del Espíritu Santo.

Juan 4:10

Respondió Jesús y le dijo: “Si conocieras el don (don gratuito Dorea) de Dios, y quién es el que te dice: Dame de beber, se lo pedirías a Él, y Él te daría agua viva”.

Rom 6:23

Porque la paga del pecado es muerte, mas el don (Carisma de Gracia) de Dios es vida eterna en Cristo Jesús Señor nuestro.

¡Hay muchos regalos pero el que realmente cuenta es la vida Eterna que es Cristo en ti la esperanza de Gloria!

Col 1:27

A ellos quiso Dios dar a conocer las riquezas de la gloria de este misterio entre los gentiles: que[fn] es Cristo en vosotros, la esperanza de gloria.

Todo el universo está en Dios en Cristo y ahora en Ti

1Co 14:12

Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.

Right from the start of this section Paul was explain the subject of spiritual matters, not spiritual gifts, The reason why your King James Bible has the word gift in italics is because it was never there in the first place. The Greek word was pneumatikos meaning spiritual things or matters, and “gifts” was added to help the translation. I think it confused us.

There has been confusion caused by the KJV translation of the holy scripture. You might say but i thought the KJV Bible was THE word of God. No it is a translation of it I say. You may say the Reina Valera translation into Spanish or the Louis Segund is in French. I say no again. They are translations of the Word of God. And the word of God was and still is Jesus Christ.

We have been given the religious interpretations and then there is the Truth of the Word.
The Word is Jesus and He is the Red Pill. The Blue one will leave you blue
Which do you want to take?

We have been given His spirit through believing the written Gospel. But we have received Christ not the Bible into our hearts when we believed on Gods Son Jesus. God Gave His Son to the world. That it the Gift God gave to the world. We have believed and received His Spirit. When we believed it was at that moment we were born from above and we began to be saved by the Gift of Christ. At that moment we received the fulness of Christ but it is our faith that determines how we will use it.

Jhn 3:16

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life

The verb “to give” implies a “gift”

Eph 4:7

But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift (Dorea) of Christ.

This was the gift of grace was given according to the measure of Christ. He is above all things, how much bigger is that? Only God the Father. He is measureless!

Rom 12:3

For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

This is the gift of faith that each person is dealt or given. Each part of the Body of Christ has a part to do. We have the infinite potential of Christ in us, but we all have different measures of faith given and at different periods as we grow into Chist.

Here the word for gift was not the same as in 1 Corinthians it was dorea

The first place the word “gift” really was written in this section about so called “gifts” but really about the subject of spiritual things, was here

1Co 12:4

Now there are diversities of gifts (Charisma), but the same Spirit.

And in Ephesians 4:7 The Gift of Christ is the word Dorea.

I want to look at the difference because Paul was speaking of two kinds of Gifts

When you see the word gifts in the KJV that is not in italics, it can be “Charisma” or “Dorea”

So what is the difference?

According to Vine’s Dictionary a charisma “gift” is “‘a gift of grace, a gift involving grace’ (charisG5485) on the part of God as the donor.” A Dorea denotes “a free gift,” stressing its gratuitous character;

The word Charisma came from the word Charis or Grace. The word Dorea originated with the word Didomi or to Give. So Charima emphasises Gifts of Grace and Dorea Gifts of Giving. But in 1 Corinthians gifts are not gifts but demonstration of The Gift of Christ!

The idea of Charima is that we did nothing and did not deserve Christ. In fact we deserved death. The idea of Dorea is that it cost us nothing. Whether we worked for it or not it was Free. Christ was freely given to us when we least deserved Him.

In 1 Corinthians 12  Tells us no man can declare the Lord but by the holy spirit

This continues the subject not about gifts, because it was assumed they had the Gift, but this letter was about spiritual matters. The subject was the holy spirit or Christ that had been given to the Corinthian (and all) believers.

This is the gift from God through Christ and now living in every believer who asks

There was no Capitalization in the English Bibles was never in the originals and this caused much more confusion

The word “pneuma hagion” must be understood by the Context not capitals

Pneuma hagion is translated into English in the King James Bible as holy spirit, Holy Spirit, and Holy Ghost.

But it is God, the Father of ALL things, the Creator who is (and i will capitalize for respect) Holy Spirit. Who gave His nature pneuma hagion or holy spirit to Christ without measure. Then place d God (holy spirit) in Christ (holy spirit) into us (our gift of holy spirit or GOD IN CHRIST IN US)

Jhn 3:34

For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.

Of course this was speaking of Gods Son Jesus Christ in the context.

1Co 12:4

Now there are diversities of gifts, (Charimata pl) but the same Spirit

1Co 12:9

To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts (charismata) of healing by the same Spirit;

1Co 12:30

Have all the gifts (charismata) of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?

1Co 12:31

But covet earnestly the best gifts: (charismata) and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

1Pe 4:10

As every man hath received the gift, (charismata) even so minister the same one to another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God.

I want to correct the idea of gifts are only for certain persons and not available to the rest! As we saw in Romans 12 it is according to your believing or faith.

So in Chapters 12, 13 and 14 you can erase the word “gifts” It was never Gods words

1Co 12:1

Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant………

(Now concerning spiritual things brethren I would not have you ignorant!

1Co 14:1

Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.

Follow after love and desire spiritual things, but rather that you may prophesy

1Co 14:12

Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.

So also you ​— ​since you are zealous for spiritual matters seek to excel in building up the church.

Eph 4:7

But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift (dorea) of Christ.

« According as God hath dealt to every man.—The standard of action which each Christian ought to propose to himself should be in proportion to the amount of his faith as given to him by God. He who has the strongest faith may assume the highest standard, and offer himself for the highest offices, and so on down the scale. It is, however, essential that the estimate which each man puts upon the strength of his own faith, should be thoroughly single-minded and sincere, nor biased by self-love. The Apostle assumes that this will be the case. » Ellicot

Rom 12:3

For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

And even “our” faith or believing is a gift from God. Although we must believe if God did not create our brain, than how could we believe to do anything?

Eph 2:8

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,

Rom 12:6

Having then gifts (charimata) differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;

But as we learn to believe we can do and serve more and more in spiritual matters.

There are many kinds of gifts of Grace in life. Gifts of healing, Gifts of ministies, gifts even of physical bodies. But there is one that is above all gifts and that is the Gift of Christ.

And He is poured out by Grace on those who have worked all their life against Him. That is a gift of grace inspite of what you did!

There many kinds of gifts that are free but there is only one Free Gift of Christ. That is a free gift in spite of what you didn’t do!

He is the best of the two words for gift Dorea and Charisma. He is a free Gift and an undeserved one.

Rom 5:15 NAS

But the gracious gift (Charisma) is not like the offense. For if by the offense of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many.

Jesus Christ is our Gift of Grace (Charisma) because we deserved nothing but death.

Rom 6:23 NAS

For the wages of sin is death, but the gracious gift (Charisma) of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

The (Charisma) gift of Christ is the Gift of Eternal life!

Rom 11:29NAS

for the (Charismata pl) gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

Once you have Christ you can never lose! That is what Eternal means right?

But back to the subject of the so called gifts. There are a list of nine ways the gift of Christ can be demonstrated or manifested and they are available to all who believe

1Co 12:7

But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all:

1Co 12:4 KJV

Now there are diversities of gifts (Charismata pl), but the same Spirit

There are many gifts of grace distributed to all mankind. It is all from the Loving Father, Creator of ALL that we have anything. God is called The Spirit because He is spirit. We have been given the Lord Christ which is the greatest of all gifts, but God gives all good gifts and every good thing anyone every received is a gift of Grace.

1Co 12:5 KJV

And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.

Once one has the greatest Gift of Christ there are many different ways that He can serve the world. Once we are in Christ and He in us we can served according to the amount of faith we have in Him living in us as the holy spirit!

1Co 12:6 KJV

There are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons.

Once we have the Gift of Christ, we are now in Christ. We are His Body on this earth. We now have God the Creator working in the Lord Christ, working through Christ in us all kinds of spiritual manifestations or services in each member of the Body as the member believes he can.

This is the “trinity” that I believe in. God in Christ in US! Three working together as one but yet distinctly different! It is the same holy spirit from God to Christ to the holy ghost that is our inner man. One God and father above all. No polytheism

Eph 4:6 kjv

one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

Eph 4:7 NKJV

But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ’s free gift (Dorea).

“But unto every one of us is given grace.—This verse should be rendered, To every one of us the grace (the One “grace of the Lord Jesus Christ”) was given—that is, given in the Divine purpose in the regeneration of the whole body, although it has to be received and made our own, separately in each soul, and gradually in the course of life. It was and is given “according to the measure of the gift of Christ.” (See below, Ephesians 4:13-16.) In Him it dwells “without measure” (see John 3:34); He gives it to each according to the measure of his capacity to receive it in faith (called in Romans 12:3 the “measure of faith”)” Ellicott Commentary

2Co 9:15

Thanks be to God for His indescribable gift (free gift Dorea)!

Act 2:38

Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift (free gift Dorea)! of the Holy Spirit.

Jhn 4:10

Jesus answered and said to her, “If you knew the gift (free gift Dorea)! of God, and who it is who says to you, ‘Give Me a drink,’ you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water.”

Rom 6:23

For the wages of sin is death, but the gift (Gift of Grace Charisma) of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

There are many gifts but the one that really counts is Eternal life which is Christ in you the hope of Glory!

Col 1:27

To them God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles: which[fn] is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

All the universe is in God in Christ and now in You